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All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« on: Saturday 06 September 08 18:02 BST (UK) »
Hi,

It is amazing what becomes available online if you leave it a couple of years.

I have been on the search for the elusive Siegmund Oppenheim and have found that he was linked to a Julius Lowenthal in business in Manchester.

In 1848 Julius is in Huddersfield York:

Gazette Issue 20824 published on the 11 February 1848. Page 27 of 48

NOTICE is hereby given, that the Partnership heretofore subsisting between us the undersigned,
Heymann Engel and Louis Lowenthal, both of Hamburg, and Julius Lowenthal, of Huddersfield, in ihe county of York, as Woolstaplers, under the firm of H. Engel and Co., has been this day dissolved, so far a* regards the said Julius
Lowenthal, who retires therefrom.
Dated this 27th day of January 1848. Heymann Engel.
Louis Lowenthal.
Julius Lowenthal.

He then shows up having disolved another business:

THE LONDON GAZETTE, JANUARY 13, I860

NOTICE is hereby given, that the Partnership lately subsisting between us the undersigned, as African Merchants, carrying on business in the city of Manchester, under the firm of Julius Lowenthal and Company, was dissolved on the 1st day of November last, by mutual consent.  All debts due to and owing by the said late firm will be received and paid by the undersigned Hermann Seligmann, and Meir Jacob Haarbleicher.- Witness our hands the 10th day of January, 1860.
Hermann Seligmann.
M. J. Haarbleicher.
Julius Lowenthal.

This trade of African Merchant is the same as my Siegmund Oppenheim at the same time.

He then turns up in the National Archives records have been naturalised and denizised (term?):

Naturalisation Papers: Lowenthal, Julius, from Hanover. Certificate 3138 issued 23 January 1860.

*** there is also aDenization and naturalisation record for a Julius Lowenthal from Mecklenberg Schewin (same birthplace as Siegmund's wife Adele - coincidence? in 1858 and I wonder if this could be the same person listing his birthplace as different places?

Naturalisation Papers: Lowenthal, Julius, from Mecklenburg-Schwerin. Certificate 2600 issued 12 February 1858

He then turns up on the census in the same street that Siegmund Oppenheim lived and was in business under the same trade of Shipping Merchant:

1861
Chorlton Medlock
Ecclesiastical Parish: Christ Church
Folio: 53 Page: 9 Schedule: 44
Address: 264 Oxford St
LOWENTHAL   Julius   Lodger   U   M   29   Shipping Merchant    Overseas - Foreign - Germany Hanover
LOWENTHAL E Lodger U M 26 General Agent Overseas - Foreign - Hanover

He is also on the Manchester Exchange at the same time as Siegmund:

Slater's Directory of Manchester and Salford, 1863
Members of the exchange
Lowenthal, Julius, Cross Street

We then have the dissolution of their business:

THE LONDON GAZETTE, SEPTEMBER 9, 1864

NOTICE is hereby given,that the Partnership heretofore subsisting between the undersigned, carrying
on business at Manchester, in the county of Lancaster, as Commission Merchants, under the firm of Oppenheim and Lowenthal, was this day dissolved by mutual consent.-
Dated this 23rd day of May, 1864.
Siegmund Oppenheim.
Julius Lowenthal.

At this time Siegmund does the denization and naturalisation process and in 1881, he is on the census for Lancashire living with his wife and four children. His wife is listed as Adele (born about 1851 Schwerin Mecklenburg).

I am trying to establish the following:

a) Where Julius Lowenthal was prior to 1861 on the census returns;
b)  Who E Lowenthal is that was living with him in 1861;
c)  Whether there is a chance that Adele who married Siegmund Oppenheim, could have been Adele Lowenthal.  I have no record of the marriage of Siegmund to Adele but their first child was born in Chorlton Medlock in 1872 and the couple remained in Manchester the rest of their natural lives; and
d) What became of Julius, ie. who he married, who his children were etc.

Many thanks in advance,

Kirsten Beach
many thanks to:
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
www.gazettes-online.co.uk
http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/archive/
www.historicaldirectories.org


Beach (Faversham, Whitstable, Kent , Windsor Bucks)
Reay, Waller, Hutton (Cumberland, Westmorland)
Oppenheim (Hamburg, Mecklenberg, Manchester)
Cassell, Dickinson, Walter (London, Kent and Surrey)
Bury, Heywood, Cohen, Sichel (Lancashire)
Thompson (Great Yarmouth, London and Kent)
Brewer, Harvey (Suffolk, Norfolk)
Mathison (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://www.webpalette.co.uk/Oppenheims.htm
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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 06 September 08 18:10 BST (UK) »
Hi

1841 Census (Transcribed as Zulius Lowenthal )

14 Tinton Road Huddersfield Yorkshire

Julius Lowenthal 30 Wool Merchant b of C No F Parts

Class: HO107; Piece 1275; Book: 10; Civil Parish: Huddersfield; County: Yorkshire; Enumeration District: 16; Folio: 34; Page: 25; Line: 9


Possible In 1851 (but Given as Louis )

Leed Hill Huddersfield

Louis Lowenthal Head 45 Wool Mearchant b Mecklenburg
Ida Lowenthal Wife 37                                b Hambridge
Risbert Lowenthal Son 11 Scholar               b      do
Adele Lowenthal Dau 10                              b  do
Maria Lowenthal Dau 3                                 b do
Joseph Lowenthal Brother 32 Wool Mearchant b Mecklenburg

Class: HO107; Piece: 2295; Folio: 43; Page: 36



Regards

Iria
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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 06 September 08 19:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Iria and Kirsten,
not sure the ages marry up for Julius do they?

Looking at BMD there is a marriage for Adele Lowenthal - Huddersfield 1862. She seems to marry Henry William Anders and one or both of them appear in a couple of censuses but not together yet. I have not pursued them because at the moment they don't seem relevant.

I'll go and have another read and mooch around the censuses  ;)

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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 06 September 08 19:37 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I have found 3 possible marriages for Julius.

1. Q3 1851 City of London

2. Q3 1854 Chelsea

3. Q3 1882 Chorlton, Lancs

Not possible to determine who he actually married.

Regards

John
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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 06 September 08 19:44 BST (UK) »
The Huddersfield group are here in 1861
RG9; Piece: 3265; Folio: 118; Page: 27

Bellevue House Huddersfield
Lewis Lowenthal head 53 yrs wool merchant b Mecklinburg
Ida wife 47 yrs b Hamburg
Robert 21 yrs b Hamburg
Adela 20 yrs b Hamburg
Delphin (?) daue 19 yrs b Hamburg
Ellen 9 yrs b Huddersfield

there is reference to a descendant here http://www.examiner.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17052904&method=full&siteid=50060&headline=rebel-girls-name_page.html

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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 September 08 19:50 BST (UK) »
The Julius is 29 iand not married in 1861 so the 1882 marriage looks likely. He may be related to the Huddersfield ones but he would be very young to be the one in business in 1848  - or am I not following this properly? Perhaps Louis' son/brother?
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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 06 September 08 21:02 BST (UK) »
Lancashire BMD have the marriage in 1882- Julius Lowenthal and Anna W L Peters (Free BMD have her as Anna Wilhelmina L Peters.)
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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 06 September 08 21:13 BST (UK) »
there is this one- same age

1891 RG12; Piece: 1048; Folio 14; Page 2
Willesden Middlesex

Julius Lowenthal  married 59 yrs b Hanover Germany  - no occupation

he is a 'brother in law' to the householder Annie Lowenthal widow 36 yrs b Manchester -( all quite confusing when compared with the marriage of Julius)

Annie is transcribed as Violet (person above her is Violet) Rosenthall and her children as Rosenthal but it is Lowenthal - I notice that one of her children is registered as Percy Loewenthal)
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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 06 September 08 21:44 BST (UK) »
I hope you can keep up with my meanderings- I kep coming back to this.

The 1891 children where Annie is the mother are - (checked with Free BMD - Loewenthal
Evelina Flore b 1885 Islington and Percy Randolph b Islington. There is also another birth 1883 Louis Charles E also Islington.
This brings one back to Louis in Huddersfield - I wonder if connected?
I have just found a marriage 1877 Chorlton:
Edward Loewenthal - possible spouses Anna Maria Scott or Sarah Ann Partington.
Is this 'E' from 1861?

1891 has a Charles Edward Lowenthal 7 yrs n abt 1884 Kilburn in the Royal Masonic School Tootenham. I think this is the Louis Charles E birth from earlier.

I'm not sure at this stage whether any of this is relevant to anybody but I am enjoying the search!
The 1891 does link Julius with a brother 'E' as in 1861. They are quite difficult to find at times and I am still unsure as to whether they are connected to the Huddersfield group but it could well be but where are they in 1841- pehaps still in Germany. Maybe they travelled back and forth.
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