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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 06 September 08 21:59 BST (UK) »
1881 has Edward with Sarah A so I think Annie is Sarah A Partington. She is born Manchester on census.
Edward is a button manufacturer b Germany. He is 47 yrs and she is 30 yrs.
I have not been able to find a death for him. (Germany??)
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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 06 September 08 22:12 BST (UK) »
A bit of a summary to date:


I am trying to establish the following:

a) Where Julius Lowenthal was prior to 1861 on the census returns;
Perhaps he was in Germany - but linked to that Huddersfield family??
b) Who E Lowenthal is that was living with him in 1861;
Is he the Edward living Islington etc
c) Whether there is a chance that Adele who married Siegmund Oppenheim, could have been Adele Lowenthal.
The Huddersfield Adele seems to marry Mr Anders - have not fully looked at them though.
I have no record of the marriage of Siegmund to Adele but their first child was born in Chorlton Medlock in 1872
and the couple remained in Manchester the rest of their natural lives;
They are in Lytham - not Manchester in 1881 but perhaps the sea air didn't suit
and
d) What became of Julius, ie. who he married, who his children were etc.
hopefully there are some bits here but a bit disappointing I feel
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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 07 September 08 20:46 BST (UK) »
Thanks everyone, I've think we've established a sort of Lowenthal timeline:
1841
Julius Lowenthal 30 Wool Merchant b of C No F Parts
*** not sure location and unsure of what "b of C No F Parts" means
1842
Directory of Leeds & the Clothing District, Huddersfield
Lowenthal, Junius, Esq. North par
1847
Directory of Leeds & the Clothing Districts Huddersfield
Lowenthal, Junius, Woolstapler, (Engel & Lowenthal) Seed Hill Huddersfield
1848
Gazette Issue 20824 published on the 11 February . Page 27 of 48
Partnership... between us the undersigned, Heymann Engel and Louis Lowenthal, both of Hamburg, and Julius Lowenthal, of Huddersfield, in ihe county of York,...has been this day dissolved,
1851
Louis Lowenthal 45 Wool (Mecklenburg) (died 1877 (72) Huddersfield)
Wife: Ida (died 1880 (66) Huddersfield)
Children:
Robert 11, m: 1881 Aimee de Saropinska (no traces of either going forward)
Adele 10, (m: 1862 Henry W Anders Huddersfield) died 1919 (78) Kensington
Maria 3
Brother: Joseph 32 Wool Merchant (Mecklenburg) died 1903 (84) Huddersfield)
Leed Hill Huddersfield, Yorkshire
1853
Louis Lowenthal naturalisation
1858
Julius Lownethal (Mecklenburg Schwerin) naturalised
I860
THE LONDON GAZETTE, JANUARY 13,
...Partnership...African Merchants...Manchester...Julius Lowenthal and Company, was dissolved.
1861
Bellevue House Huddersfield
Lewis Lowenthal 53 wool merchant (Mecklinburg)
wife Ida 47 (Hamburg) d: 1880 (66) Huddersfield
children:
Robert 21 Hamburg 1881 m: Aimee R L de Saropinska Kensington)
Adela 20 Hamburg
Delphin 19Hamburg Delphine Bertha m: 1876 Ludwig J P von Bouvardhaupton Hudd.
Ellen 9 Huddersfield
seems they moved to Huddersfield from Hamburg somewhere between 1840 and 1850
1861
Chorlton Medlock Lancashire (Manchester) Address: 264 Oxford St
LOWENTHAL Julius Lodger 29 Shipping Merchant Hanover
LOWENTHAL E Lodger 26 General Agent Overseas - Hanover
1863
Slater's Directory of Manchester and Salford
Oppenheim and Lowenthal, commission merchants, 102 Cross Street
Lowenthal, Julius, Cross Street
1863
From an article in the Times I was able to gather that in 1863 there was a Julius Lowenthal residing in Scotland who was a dealer in sponges and travelled back and forth from Hamburg, whose brother Leopold resided in York (and was in trouble with the law for smuggling cigars and tobacco into the country hidden in furniture!).
1864
Otto Lowenthal marries in Chorlton
1864
THE LONDON GAZETTE, SEPTEMBER 9,
...Partnership.business at Manchester..Commission Merchants...Oppenheim and Lowenthal, was this day dissolved.
1869
Otto Lowenthal (Hanover) naturalised
1877
Death: Lowenthal Louis (72) Huddersfield
1880
Deaths Lowenthal Julius (65) Wandsworth
1881 Huddersfield, Yorkshire
Alma LOWENTHAL 43 (British Subject), Germany
 Marie LOWENTHAL 33 Sister (BS) Germany
 Nellie LOWENTHAL Sister 29 (b: 1852 Ellen Susannah, Huddersfield)
1881
Joseph LOWENTHAL 62 Germany Wool Merchant (Stapler & Cloth Warehouseman) d: 1903 (84) Huddersfield
Wife Bertha LOWENTHAL 50 Germany d: 1886 (55) Huddersfield
Children:
George E. LOWENTHAL 26 (Wool Merchant) b: 1854 Huddersfield
Bertha S. LOWENTHAL 23 b: 1856 Huddersfield
Alice LOWENTHAL Daur 22 b: 1858 Huddersfield
Ellen LOWENTHAL Daur 20 Helen b: 1860 Huddersfield
Charles F. LOWENTHAL 18 Hudd, York, England (No Oc)
Sidney J. LOWENTHAL 9 b: 1871 Huddersfiled
1881
Edward LOWENTHAL 47 Germany Button Manufacturer
Sarah A. LOWENTHAL (nee Partington) Wife 30 Manchester m: 1877 Chorlton
1882
LOWENTHAL Julius m: Anna W L Peters Chorlton, Lancs
1891 Willesden Middlesex
Lowenthal Annie
Children:
Evelina Flore b 1885 Islington Evelyn F m: 1916 John I Nathan in Hendon
Percy Randolph (b: 1888 Islington)
Louis Charles E (b: 1883 Islington)
Transcribed as Violet Rosenthall
There is also a Siegmund Lowenthal but this is unrelated. As are the Lowenthal family in London who are grocery merchants and whose traces bring us right into the twentieth century.
I think we have established that the link between the Lowenthals and the Oppenheims was not due to marriage but simply business that dissolved early in Siegmund Oppenheim's illustrous career.
Unfortunately (although all of this may prove useful to a Lowenthal descendant), I'm afraid I'm still at a brick wall of finding the roots of Siegmund and Eugen Oppenheim prior their arrival in England.

Many thanks everyone.


Kirsten Beach
many thanks to:
www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
www.gazettes-online.co.uk
http://archive.timesonline.co.uk/tol/archive/
www.historicaldirectories.org
Beach (Faversham, Whitstable, Kent , Windsor Bucks)
Reay, Waller, Hutton (Cumberland, Westmorland)
Oppenheim (Hamburg, Mecklenberg, Manchester)
Cassell, Dickinson, Walter (London, Kent and Surrey)
Bury, Heywood, Cohen, Sichel (Lancashire)
Thompson (Great Yarmouth, London and Kent)
Brewer, Harvey (Suffolk, Norfolk)
Mathison (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://www.webpalette.co.uk/Oppenheims.htm
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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 07 September 08 20:54 BST (UK) »
that's sad for you after all this hard work but it was interesting. The various Lowenthals seemed to be merchants of some kind or other.
I think I saw that Robert Lowenthal died - Aimee is transcribed differently later.
Also I think it may have been Edward's family- not sure now but there was a  child born Austria and a child born London so I think the Lowenthals may well have travelled back and forth - unlike your Oppenheims.

good luck with your searches
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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal (resolved)
« Reply #13 on: Monday 29 November 10 20:10 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks again here.

Lowenthal research here is on hold for now.

Best regards,

Kirsten
Beach (Faversham, Whitstable, Kent , Windsor Bucks)
Reay, Waller, Hutton (Cumberland, Westmorland)
Oppenheim (Hamburg, Mecklenberg, Manchester)
Cassell, Dickinson, Walter (London, Kent and Surrey)
Bury, Heywood, Cohen, Sichel (Lancashire)
Thompson (Great Yarmouth, London and Kent)
Brewer, Harvey (Suffolk, Norfolk)
Mathison (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://www.webpalette.co.uk/Oppenheims.htm
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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #14 on: Monday 29 November 10 21:14 GMT (UK) »
On hold but thought you might appreciate the following -

The Leeeds Mercury, Saturday August 15 1846
RAILWAY SPECULATION
The following is a selection from a list of the names and descriptions of all persons subscribing to the amount of 20,000 and upwards to any railway subscription contract deposited in the Private Bill Office of the present session of Parliament

Lowenthal Julius, Wool Merchant.........27,960

On October 16 1845 he had become a Director of the Manchester, Huddersfield and Great Grimsby Direct Railway via Barnsley and Doncaster.

Tidy sum in those days (and not to be sneezed at these days!)

I also noticed in one newspaper article he was referred to as Julius Lowenthal Sichel
regards
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Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
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Llanblethian - Price
Abergwynfi - Han(d)ford
Pontardawe - Lewis.

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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #15 on: Monday 29 November 10 21:37 GMT (UK) »
 :D

Immense thanks!

The Sichel is a fantastic clue and explains a lingering doubt I had in mind.  I have flagged this for further investigation.

Best regards,

Kirsten
Beach (Faversham, Whitstable, Kent , Windsor Bucks)
Reay, Waller, Hutton (Cumberland, Westmorland)
Oppenheim (Hamburg, Mecklenberg, Manchester)
Cassell, Dickinson, Walter (London, Kent and Surrey)
Bury, Heywood, Cohen, Sichel (Lancashire)
Thompson (Great Yarmouth, London and Kent)
Brewer, Harvey (Suffolk, Norfolk)
Mathison (Newcastle upon Tyne)
http://www.webpalette.co.uk/Oppenheims.htm
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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 13 December 14 22:03 GMT (UK) »
I was very interested to read your post.
I am a grandson of Edouard Loewenthal of Hanover who seems to be a relative of Julius also of Hanover. I know that the above Edouard, had a father called Louis in Hanover as well as a sister Johannes, and two brothers called Otto and Emil. Maybe the Otto that appears in your post. I would like to know more of how Julius and Edward (anglizised) were related, since I was not aware of Julius' existence.
Thank you very much for all the work you have done.


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Re: All Census returns please: Julius Lowenthal
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 20 December 14 08:56 GMT (UK) »
Just been reading thru the notifications regarding Julius Lowenthal looking for a connection on Edward Lowenthal who married Sarah A Partington. I saw that there is a relative connected to this family, a grandson. I am also related to the same family and would be interested if the grandson could give me more insite as to which part of the family you came from. Was it from Evelina, Lewis or Percy. Much appreciated. Thank you.