Grey cells needed, researching Emma Walton

[Sandyq]

I have an Emma Walton born Mar qtr 1878 B.Ham 6d 244 who married
Thomas Henry Elson in 1897 also Birmingham. The 1901 Census shows them both originating from Birmingham.
On their marriage certifiate  Emma's father is listed as George Walton
(Gas Stoker) and she being 19
I cannot find Emma or George on the 1881 Census.
The 1891 shows an Emma aged 13 working as a Domestic Servant away from her family, I think that could be her, but I still can't find George.

Any suggestions please
Regards Sandra

[Nick Carver]

Where have you looked for the 1881 record? I believe there are gaps in the LDS on-line record but some people posting here have the census on CD-ROM and often will do a look up for you. If they are genuinely missing from the census, there could be a number of reasons, such as being in Scotland (for instance).

[RJ_Paton]

This was the only Emma Walton born 1878 I could find  on the 1881

Dwelling:   16 Regent Place
   Census Place:   Birmingham, Warwick, England
   Source:   FHL Film 1341717     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 3003    Folio 98    Page 24
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Joseph WALTON   M   34    M   Birm, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Jeweller
Deborah WALTON   M   32    F   Birm, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Wife
Eliza WALTON       12    F   Birm, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Scholar
Sarah WALTON       10    F   Birm, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Scholar
Jane WALTON       7    F   Birm, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Scholar
Joseph WALTON       5    M   Birm, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Emma WALTON       3    F   Birm, Warwick, England
   Rel:   Daur
James WALTON       11 m   M   Birm, Warwick, England

Unfortunately the father is different and it looks like she's not your lady 

[RJ_Paton]

The same list has several George Waltons but none of them living with a daughter around 3 yrs of age.

[Sandyq]

Thank you both for your replies.

I have spent hours on the LDS site and also Ancestry .com
I had assumed before the marriage certificate arrived that Emma's parents were Joseph and Deborah and in turn spent many a more hour researching them - only to be shot down when the marriage certificate stated George as father not Joseph.

Am finding the current delay in getting certificates frustrating - must learn to be more patient but I am very enthusiastic !!
Need to send for Emma Walton's birth certificate to check her mother and go from there I suppose - another 3 weeks wait !! Think I'll try and book a cheap package holiday in between then it won't seem so long to wait !!

Thanks again for for help
Kind Regards
Sandra

[RJ_Paton]

If you can provide the mothers details I'll recheck the 1881  for you.

There are 5 emma Waltons listed with birth dates between 1875 and 1880 including this intriguing one

Dwelling:   21 Weaman Row
   Census Place:   Birmingham, Warwick, England
   Source:   FHL Film 1341717     PRO Ref RG11    Piece 3000    Folio 77    Page 10
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Angelina RIDDING   W   48    F   Birmingham
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Gun Barrel Browner
Emily Alice RIDDING   U   23    F   Birmingham
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   School Mistress
Charles W. RIDDING   U   19    M   Birmingham
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Warehouse Clerk
Arthur C. RIDDING   U   16    M   Birmingham
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Warehouse Clerk
Angelina B. RIDDING   U   14    F   Birmingham
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Pupil Teacher
Mary Ann RIDDING   U   40    F   Birmingham
   Rel:   Step Daur
   Occ:   Warehoue Woman
Emma J. WALTON   U   5    F   Birmingham

[Sandyq]

I spotted this intiguing one too - don't know what to make of it.
Would be surprised though if it's my Emma as she's listed as 5 rather than 2.

Looks like I've just got to get  Emma's birth certificate as I've no idea of her mother's name.

Will now go and have a nice glass of chilled wine while I ponder a little more !

Thanks a lot
Sandra

[casalguidi]

Hi Sandra

Was there a given address on the marriage certificate that could perhaps be checked in 1901 and 1891?  Any clues in the names of the witnesses?

Casalguidi

[Sandyq]

Hi Casalguidi,

Address on marriage certificate is 10b 3 crt. Great Francis St, Aston
and witnesses Charles Walton(maybe Emma's brother ?) and Annie Cammerer.

Have done a little bit of research on those names, but no success,
not sure how to check addresses.
Would be grateful if you could add anything at all

Cheers
Sandra