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Re: "Breeches Maker" in 1790-1797 Cambridge Directory
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 17 September 08 15:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Keith, Meles et al

Yes, she's lovely, isn't she! ;)!

Browsing the net, there seems to be an association between breeches-makers and glovers, possibly because of the leather link - kid gloves etc.

I suppose a maker of breeches for guns would be a breech-maker, not a breeches-maker?

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Re: "Breeches Maker" in 1790-1797 Cambridge Directory
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 17 September 08 15:35 BST (UK) »
During the war, when I was living on a farm in Wales, we were able to sell dried and part tanned moleskins to the Government at quite a good price each. I may misremember but I think it was One Shilling Three Pence each.
Southern or Southan [Hereford , Monmouthshire & Glos], Jenkins, Meredith and Morgan [Monmouthshire and Glos.], Murrill, Damary, Damry, Ray, Lawrence [all Middx. & London], Nethway from Kenn or Yatton. Also Riley and Lyons in South Africa and Riley from St. Helena.
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Re: "Breeches Maker" in 1790-1797 Cambridge Directory
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 17 September 08 15:40 BST (UK) »
I must try and see how much the mole and sparrow catcher got per head in Ickleton, Cambs 200 years ago, if I can find my scruffy notes in my hopelessly disorganised files.
Wasn't William Shakespeare's father a glover at one time...?
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Re: "Breeches Maker" in 1790-1797 Cambridge Directory
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 17 September 08 16:16 BST (UK) »
By the by, and I'm digressing from the main thrust of this thread, I see that on Easter Monday 1800 Abraham KNOTT the molecatcher received 10d for 5 moles.  Later on someone else gets 12 shillings and 6 old pence for 75 moles, which is still exactly tuppence a mole.
Someone else gets £1 0s and 3 and a half pence for sparrows, though the quantity was not noted, so one can work out for oneself how much sparrows were worth a head then...
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Re: "Breeches Maker" in 1790-1797 Cambridge Directory
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 17 September 08 16:24 BST (UK) »
You'd be hard-pressed to catch a sparrow nowadays! :'(!

There seems to be some info on breeches makers here:

http://journals.cambridge.org/

It seems to be a subscription site, and the abstracts aren't displaying the tantalising snippets that the search engine hints at.  Is there access at Cambridge libraries?

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Northants: MARRIOT/T
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Re: "Breeches Maker" in 1790-1797 Cambridge Directory
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 17 September 08 17:45 BST (UK) »
Gaie,
Yes, very frustrating when some websites are quite happy to share their information for free, and others want to charge for it.
This theme throws up all sorts of interesting questions.  I wonder when the expression "bespoke" in relation to tailors first appeared.  I imagine Samuel Johnson had a great influence on descriptions like this in the English language not long before John JOHNSON cut out and stitched his first pair of breeches.
Have found a 1767 apprenticeship entry on the excellent Cambs Family History Society site for a John JOHNSON of Over, which might tie in with the man I'm after, born either 1755 or 1756 there.
Trying to discover whether this individual was apprenticed to a breeches maker or not, TNA reference, but not quite sure how I'll be able to view the more precise details...
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Re: "Breeches Maker" in 1790-1797 Cambridge Directory
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 17 September 08 18:04 BST (UK) »


Hi Keith and Gaie !!  :)

I found this ...... !!  Edward Johnson was an apprentice in 1814 !!

Some of the trades followed by the Snitch's apprentices between 1750 and 1822 were: Glover, Butcher, Weaver, Tailor, Carpenter, Blacksmith, Bricklayer, Wheelwright, Cordwainer (shoemaker) Mat Maker, Stay Maker and Breech Maker.  The average period of service was for seven years and the fees ranging from £5 to £15

Details from Apprentice Indentures

1814 Edward Johnson Joseph Keep, Girtford Tailor

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Re: "Breeches Maker" in 1790-1797 Cambridge Directory
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 17 September 08 18:11 BST (UK) »
... and a tailor, not a breeches maker.

Well done, Annie!

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Re: "Breeches Maker" in 1790-1797 Cambridge Directory
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 17 September 08 18:13 BST (UK) »


Hi Meles !

That Keith Sherwood has Johnsons all over the place ... believe me I know !!  :D :D :D

This Edward could have been one of his ........  ::)
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