jones family

[Gaie]

Acer, you could look the 1881 census up for yourself at familysearch, the LDS website; it's good practice

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp

Choose 1881 British Census
Name: Enoch Jones
Country: Wales County: Breconshire
Birth Year 1845
Birth Year Range: 2

Click on the Enoch Jones 1881 British Census
On the right hand side click on View Household.

Kind regards
Gaie

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thank you all so much I can't believe how help full everyone is. I started this because  my greatgrandmother Margaret Jones (DODD) Born1849 died August26 1935  came from Beili-heulog also Gwenddwr her family  go back to Ireland, or so I was told. Would love to know if this is write  as my husband comes from there Going to try what you advised
Thanks so much all
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[Gaie]

Hi Acer
Well, you're very lucky having an ENOCH Jones, rather than a William, John, Thomas Jones in the family; it made it so much easier to track him 

I don't know if you have Margaret's birth certificate, but there is this one I found on the FreeBMD site; if you're not familiar with this resource, it's as it says it is, free, and you can search the registers of births, marriages and deaths in England & Wales from Sept quarter 1839 onwards.  Most (or could be all) of the earlier volumes are transcribed; it starts to get sparse from about the beginning of the 20th century, but is a very useful tool.  Just remember to put surnames in first box    I'm sure we've all put christian names in that box before and come up with nothing 

FreeBMD Site:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Birth Jun Qtr 1849 Brecknock Vol 26 Page 317
DODD Margaret

So if you haven't already got this one, you will find out her parents' names, including mother's maiden name, date and place of birth and father's occupation (that's if he's named!).

And this is the main page to the familysearch site:

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

A word of warning; always check out info on this site; the entries that are extracted entries ie taken from parish registers, are reasonably accurate.  Submitted entries ie ancestral trees, individual entries etc , should always be taken with a pinch of salt - they may or may not be correct.

Do you need the 1861 census that was deleted from an earlier post (we can't copy and paste stuff from data providers on the web - we have to type it out again - copyright issues  )?

Happy hunting!!
Kind regards
Gaie

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Hi Caie
Yes please i would like the1661 census if it is not to much trouble
I could spend all day on here, but dinner preperation awaits
Bye for now Acer

[Gaie]

1861 Census
RG9 p 4207 f 57 p4
?Hron, North Gwenddwr, Breconshire
John JONES Head 48 Farmer of 100 acres, 1 servant, b Merthyr Cynog
Mary Wife 48 b North Gwenddwr
Ann Dau 17 b Norh Gwenddwr
Enoch Son 15 b Crickadarn
William Son 13 b Crickadarn
Rice Hall Serv Unm 18 Farm Servant b ? Radnorshire
Catherine Donovan Serv Unm 21 Dairy Maid b Ireland

Kind regards
Gaie

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Thanks Gaie
Very interesting especially that John Jones was born in Merther Cynog and the fact they had an Irish maid
I believe his son Enoch's wife Margaret descends from Ireland and was related to John Dodd
I would like to find a John Dodd of Beiu-Heulog Gwenddwr
Born Sept 14--1846
Died April 19--1917
Wife Margaret Dodd 
Born Sept 4--1936
Died March 29--1913

[Gaie]

Well, you've definitely picked very helpful ancestors from Wales 

That 10 year age difference makes such a difference:

1901 Census RG13 5164 35 4
Bailehanlog, Gwenddwr, Breconshire
John DODD Head 54 Tar Collector and Imperial Shoemaker, b Breconshire Merthyr Cynog, spoke Welsh & English
Margaret Wife 64, b Breconshire Gwenddwr, spoke English
Jones C Son 23 Farmer, b " ", spoke English
Minnie Pugh Serv 15 General Servant Domestic, b " ",  spoke English

Perhaps somebody else would like to check John's occupation, but that's what it looks like

1891 Census RG12 4567 61 4
Pengwain, Gwenddwr, Breconshire
John DODD Head 44 Assistant Overseer, b Merthyr Cynog, spoke both
Margaret Wife 54 b Gwenddwr, spoke English
Jones Cynog Son 13 Scholar b Gwenddwr, spoke English
The Pughs are next door with Minnie.

Kind regards
Gaie

[Gaie]

1881 Census RG11 5455 71 5
No 3 Gwenddwr Village, Breconshire
John DODD Head 34 (Ancestry have mistranscribed it as 44) Shoemaker Merthyr Cynog
Margaret Wife 44 Shoemaker's Wife, Gwenddwr
Jones Cynog Son 3 Scholar (!), Gwenddwr
John WEEKS Boarder 56 Shoemaker, Crickadarn

1871 RG10 5575 55 4
Ty ynog Waen(?) Gwenddwr North, Breconshire
William DODD Head 49 Farmer & Shoemaker 11 acres b Breconshire Gwenddwr
Ann Wife 50 "" ""'s wife b Gwenddwr
John Son 24 Shoemaker's Son b Merthyr Cynog
David LAWRENCE Serv 19 Shoemaker Gwenddwr

I haven't found John in earlier censuses yet; was hoping to see him with sister(?) Margaret who married Enoch, but they're being elusive. 

Possible marriage for John & Margaret:
Dec Qtr 1876 Builth 11b 191
John DODD Margaret JONES (the only two names listed)

There is another one in Dec Qtr 1876 Neath 11a 787, for a John Dodd and a Margaret Sophia Lloyd, but they appear in later censuses as John Dodd and  Margaret S Dodd, so I think the first one could be right.  Builth is a better registration district as well, seeing as they both originate from that area.

Kind regards
Gaie

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thanks  Gaie
The first one is defiantly the right Dodds they are buried in the same chapel  yard
as Enoch and Margaret  john Jones gave the ground for the chapel and i was told money to build it. Enoch gave the ground for the grave yard.
John and Margaret Dodd
Enoch and Margaret Jones where the first family's to be buried there and they were "family".
I think Margaret and John were brother and sister and came from Ireland with there parents I know cobblers and shoemakers have been in the Dodds for years If you look back  1901 census there was a Jane Dodd aunt 77years  living with Margaret Jones (Dodd) at the Vron  Have a cousin I am going to try to talk to.

Acer thanks again