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Topic: Edmund TAYLOR born 1821 - where is his father? (Read 365 times)
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Maggie.
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Edmund TAYLOR was born about 1821 in Goodshaw, Haslingden, Lancashire. He married Amelia LAW on 4th September 1843 at Bolton le Moors Parish Church and according to his marriage certificate his father was John TAYLOR occupation Manufacturer. I am anxious to find more about this John TAYLOR and where he was born, but with a name like Taylor it is not easy. I have a query relating to this family on the Westmorland board at:-
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,331402.0.html
This gives a fuller picture of what I am trying to do. I would appreciate any help, as I have been grappling with this knotty problem on and off for years.
Maggie
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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Maggie.
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There has been a bit of an update on this because of a thread I posted yesterday on the Photographic board at.........
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,370002.0.html
The thread generated a bit of interst so I thought I would bring this forward again. The link in post #1 directs to a thread on the Westmorland board, where hopefully any further discussion can be gathered.
Sorry if I am being complicated but it's a complex story 
Maggie 
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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Annette7
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Hi Maggie
Have read the other threads and appreciate what it is you are trying to establish but posting here since I'm not sure exactly what you have on the Lancashire end of it. As with any problem one starts with the known and 'tries' to work back. You state that Edmund was b.1821 - whilst this concurs with his age on 1861/1871 Census I note that in 1851 (when he is shown as Edward not Edmund) that his age is clearly written as 36 making him born c.1815. That said, there is a submitted entry on the IGI of an Edmund Taylor b.15/4/1815 bp.26/6/1815 Haslingden son of John and Mary which ties in with the 1851 Census age. Could this not be your Edmund?
Secondly, have you found Edmund on the 1841 Census?
With such a common surname as Taylor I don't want to start going down the wrong path and thought it best to clarify things first.
Annette
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Maggie.
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Hi Annette,
Thank you for helping in what is quite a complex story.
Yes I have come across the submitted entry on the IGI for Edmund born 1815 - it is the only Haslingden one. Edmund is consistent with saying he was born in Haslingden, apart from 1861 when he specified Goodshaw. I have not found his birth in the PRs of Haslingden or Goodshaw despite hours of looking. I did this years ago so perhaps I ought to go back and double-check. The IGI also have an Edmund born to John & Mary and baptised 23 July 1823 in Bury. Apart from the 1851, Edmund seems to be consistent with his age. 1861 - born abt 1821, 1871 - born abt.1820, and 1881 - born abt. 1821. He died in Accrington 23rd April 1896 aged 74 years so again consistent with him being born abt. 1821.
Regarding that 1851 census entry, firstly I am sure it is the right family as wife and children are corrrect and I can find no other contenders. It would appear that for a period of about 10 years he called himself Edward, reverting back to Edmund once he was living in Accrington. He married Amelia as Edmund in 1843 at Bolton le Moors. I can find no evidence of an EDWARD Taylor marrying an Amelia Lowe/Law at that time.
I may have found him in 1841, aged 20, living in Over Darwen, but if so his parents are John and Sarah - HO107/503/10. The names of his siblings in this possible family sound correct in that they are frequently found in the family. The occupation of the father is Weaver........ he is stated as Manufacturer on Edmund's marriage certificate. The other 'downer' is that the marks in the column for whether born in county or not are completely faded opposite this Taylor family so it is impossible to know whether this John Taylor is born in Lancs or not. There are other Edmunds with a father called John in the 1841 but all the Johns with sons called Edmund I have found so far are born in Lancs.
I should add that I have Edmund and his family well documented from his marriage onwards. It is how he is linked to the Westmorland Taylors that is my problem ....... it can only be through his father John.
Maggie
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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Annette7
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All I can add is that the John and Sarah in Over Darwen are still there in 1851 (living with son James) and John is shown as bc.1786 Over Darwen so that rules him out I would say.
Incidentally, in 1841 I don't think it's a case of the birthplace entries being too faded to read they just weren't there. The enumerator put 'Y' and a few ditto marks at the top of the page and then just stopped.
Annette
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Maggie.
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Thanks for your input, Annette - it really is appreciated. Why could they not have been called Shufflebottom rather than Taylor, and with a nice distinctive middle name?  .
The only thing I would add is that Edmund put his place of residence as Edgworth on his marriage certificate in September 1843. In 1841 his future wife Amelia Law/Lowe was living with her parents in Edgworth but there is no sign of Edmund there. I remember years ago, before the census was on line, sitting in Rawtenstall library looking through the whole of the 1841 census for Edgeworth for him.
Maggie
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ROSTHORN - Blackburn, Accrington 18/19C; TAYLOR - Accrington, Goodshaw, Edgworth 18/19C; HARGREAVES - Midgley, Southowram, Halifax; KIDD - Knaresborough, York; SIMONETT - Sheffield, Bradford, poss. French Huguenot; NICHOLSON and JARDINE - Tinwald, Dumfriesshire, ENTWISTLE - Edgworth; LOWE - Edgeworth; GILL - Accrington, Liverpool, Blackburn all 18/19C. ~~~~~~ Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.go |
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