Re:KIRKHAM Cheshire Parish Records

[Jojosam]

Thanks Peter.

Actually I ended up not getting the certificate as I was later told the information about Robert John's father is not on it. 

But another relation has found Walter Kirkham in 1871 - he was a 10 year old scholar boarding in a house in Chester - St Oswald (not sure if that is a suburb of Chester or the parish).

The head of the household was one Charlott [sic] Davies and there was also another boarder age 18 (from Congleton). at the same address. We have no idea who Charlott Davies was and I am now trying to test the theory that she might have been one of Louisa Kirkham's aunts (an Eardley or Willcock).

But I cannot even start to fashion a theory about why young Walter was there and not at home with his mother.   

With every answere there seem to be even more questions. 

[peterbennett]

Hi

     One thing that does strike me is the fact that your Walter K was born in Preston not Congleton, although I cannot find another Walter born in Congleton in the BMD indexes so it is possible its the same one.

     It would seem from the 1861 census that Charlotte Davies and her lodging house probably had a concession with a local printer to lodge his apprentices, there was a compositor there in 1871 and two there in 1861, prior to that she was married to husband Richard Davies, stone mason.

     There is a marriage indexed for them at St Oswalds Chester 27/Aug/ 1826 her name being Charlotte Williams born in Chester.

     What was Walters trade after he emigrated ?

    I cant see any connection family wise with Wilcocks and the Davies/Williams.

good luck

peterbennett

[Jojosam]

Thank you Peter.

You've saved me a lot of useless chasing - even if it meant that theory ground to a halt really quickly 

Walter was a butcher (like his father) when he went to Australia in 1878 but, as we don't know how quickly he met up with his father, it is quite possible he was a printer when he arrived and quickly learnt to be a butcher. He was definitely a butcher a thousand miles away from his father in 1881.

The only possible connection with the Williams/Davies would be the stone - Walter's grandfather on the Kirkham side (James) was a stone cutter/ quarryman, so maybe Richard Davies was known to the family through him. 

Or maybe I'm clutching at straws again?

Will post more as I (and/or the other relations who like a good mystery) find it.

Thank you again.

[Jojosam]

Hello Peter (and Kirkham rels and anyone else who might be reading this) 

Unfortunately I haven't been able to come up with anything more to shed any light on Isaac/William and his forebears.

At the time of his marriage in September 1859 he was called Isaac Kirkham, was 28 years old and was living in Preston. But he was born in Macclesfield (although we don't know if he grew up there) so when did he move?   

Mulling over the information now available (most of it obtained by Peter), I've realised that we still don't know where Isaac was during the 1851 and 1841 censuses. Those details might give some clues to his background - I've been doing some chasing up on the assumption that the James Kirkham born in Hartington was his father. I'm also more than a little convinced that Isaac, for some reason, was using an alias in the 1861 census. 

Are you (or anyone else) able to start tracking that 1841 and 1851 census information please? Or point me in the right direction to get to it myself? Of course Isaac might have been in Preston (or somewhere completely different) then but I suppose there is no reason not to start in Cheshire, and we can assume he was probably a butcher of some sort in 1851 and maybe a scholar or apprentice in 1841.

Hoping you can come through (yet again).

Jojosam 

[peterbennett]

Hi

      I have searched through the pages of the 1841 census in the areas that the family are likely to have been, but did not find them.
      There is no complete national name index of the 1841 census so searching page by page is not really a realistic propersition but hopefully in the next couple of months or so Ancestry.co.uk will have it completed and them we should be able to continue the search.
      The 1851 census index is completed, but as William/Isaac Dickinson/Kirkham is not in Bollington with his parents it is not possible to tell whether any of the hundreds of possibles or right or not, we need to wait for the 1841.
     You could try asking the Cheshire RO to search the Prestbury parish registers for the birth of William Dickinson (as he was in 1861) the birth date would be 1829 +/- 3 years. There is an email address in the link at the bottom of my post.

sorry cant do much more at the present

peterbennett

[hiker108]

I'm looking at this family:

Name: James Kirkham
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Event Place: Prestbury, Cheshire, England
Residence Note: Bank Top
Gender: Male
Age: 41-45
Age (Original): 41
Birth Year (Estimated): 1796-1800
Birthplace: Cheshire
Registration District: Macclesfield
Parish: Prestbury
County: Cheshire

Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Kirkham      M 41-45 Cheshire
Mary Kirkham      F 38-42 Cheshire        OLDFIELD
William Kirkham      M 19-23 Cheshire
Sarah Kirkham      F 16-20 Cheshire
Isaac Kirkham      M 14 Cheshire
Mary Kirkham      F 8 Cheshire
Hanh Kirkham      F 6 Cheshire
John Kirkham      M 4 Cheshire
Joseph Kirkham      M 2 Cheshire
Margaret Kirkham  F 0 Cheshire

I believe William Kirkham b. 1823 married Charlotte Bloor also b. 1823

They had a daughter, Fannie, who married my GGF John Strickland in Macclesfield in 1871.

I had thought that the Mary, marrried to James was Mary Oldfield.

Ed Strickland

[hiker108]

Descendants of James Kirkham b. 1798

2 James Kirkham born in 1798


Name: James Kirkham
Residence Place:
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 22 Jul 1798
Christening Date (Original): 22 JUL 1798
Christening Place: FRODSHAM,CHESHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Thomas Kirkham
Mother's Name: Margaret

AND


Name: James Kirkham
Residence Place:
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 09 Sep 1798
Christening Date (Original): 09 SEP 1798
Christening Place: FRODSHAM,CHESHIRE,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Kirkham
Mother's Name: Mary       

MARRIAGES OF THESE TWO James Kirkham:



Name: James Kirkham
residence Saltersford-cum-Kettleshulme, Cheshire, England
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Sep 1821
Event Place: Prestbury, Cheshire, England
Spouse's Name: Mary Oldfield


OR


Name: James Kirkham
residence , Saltersford-cum-Kettleshulme, Cheshire, England
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 04 Nov 1823
Event Place: , Prestbury, Cheshire, England
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Brown



CHILDREN OF one of the James Kirkham


Name: James Kirkham
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Event Place: Prestbury, Cheshire, England
Residence Note: Bank Top
Birthplace: Cheshire
Registration District: Macclesfield
Parish: Prestbury
County: Cheshire

Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Kirkham      M 41-45 Cheshire    41
Mary Kirkham      F 38-42 Cheshire    38

William Kirkham      M  19  1822
Sarah Kirkham         F 15  1826    BAP in Sunderland St
Isaac Kirkham         M 14  1827    BAP on Sunderland St
Mary Kirkham          F  8   1833    BAP on Sunderland St
Hanh Kirkham         F  6   1835    BAP on Sunderland St
John Kirkham         M  4   1837    BAP on Sunderland St
Joseph Kirkham      M 2 Cheshire    2   1839
Margaret Kirkham  F 0 Cheshire    0   1841


Name: Joseph Kirkham
Titles and Terms:
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1851
Event Place: Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Registration District: Macclesfield
Residence Note: Bank Street
Occupation: Silk Peicer
Relationship to Head of Household: Son
Birth Year (Estimated): 1839
Birthplace: Macclesfield, Cheshire

Household Role Sex Age Birthplace
James Kirkham         Head         M 53 Hurdsfield, Cheshire
Mary Kirkham         Wife         F 51 Hurdsfield, Cheshire

Mary Kirkham         Daug     F 18 Macclesfield, Cheshire 1833
Hannah Kirkham     Daug     F 16 Macclesfield, Cheshire 1836
John Kirkham          Son       M 14 Macclesfield, Cheshire 1838
Joseph Kirkham       Son       M 12 Macclesfield, Cheshire 1840
Margaret Kirkham    Daug     F 10 Macclesfield, Cheshire 1841

CHILDREN OF James Kirkham and Mary


Name: William Kirkham
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 11 Jan 1822
Event Place: St Michael, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Father's Name: James Kirkham
Mother's Name: Mary



Name: Sarah Kirkham
Christening Date: 29 Jun 1837
Christening Date (Original): 29 JUN 1837
Christening Place: SUNDERLAND STREET WESLEYAN,MACCLESFIELD,CHESHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 26 Sep 1825
Father's Name: James Kirkham
Mother's Name: Mary


Name: Isaac Kirkham
Christening Date: 29 Jun 1837
Christening Date (Original): 29 JUN 1837
Christening Place: SUNDERLAND STREET WESLEYAN,MACCLESFIELD,CHESHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 22 Dec 1827
Father's Name: James Kirkham
Mother's Name: Mary


Name: Mary Kirkham
Christening Date: 29 Jun 1837
Christening Date (Original): 29 JUN 1837
Christening Place: SUNDERLAND STREET WESLEYAN,MACCLESFIELD,CHESHIRE,ENGLAND
Birthplace:
Birth Date: 20 Mar 1833
Father's Name: James Kirkham
Mother's Name: Mary


Name: Hannah Kirkham
Christening Date: 29 Jun 1837
Christening Date (Original): 29 JUN 1837
Christening Place: SUNDERLAND STREET WESLEYAN,MACCLESFIELD,CHESHIRE,ENGLAND
Birthplace:
Birth Date: 23 Mar 1835
Father's Name: James Kirkham
Mother's Name: Mary


Name: John Kirkham
Christening Date: 29 Jun 1837
Christening Date (Original): 29 JUN 1837
Christening Place: SUNDERLAND STREET WESLEYAN,MACCLESFIELD,CHESHIRE,ENGLAND
Birthplace:
Birth Date: 04 Apr 1837
Father's Name: James Kirkham
Mother's Name: Mary


NAME: Joseph Kirkham  born 1839
Christening Place for Joseph Kirkham 
NO Baptism record, but in 1841 and 1851 census


NAME: Margaret Kirkham  born 1841
Christening Place UNKNOWN
NO Baptism record, but in 1841, 1851 and 1862 census


I'm working on the children of the "other" James Kirkham.

BTW, the other James Kirkham also had a son Isaac born in 1828:
Name: Isaac Kirkham
Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 31 Aug 1828
Event Place: St Michael, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Father's Name: James Kirkham
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Kirkham

AND

William Kirkham b. 1823, is my great great great grandfather....who married Charlotte Bloor

William and Charlotte had daughter Fannie Kirkham b. 1850

Fannie Kirkham married my great grandfather John Strickland b. 1844. They emigrated to
Paterson, NJ.

There son, Francis Strickland, was my grandfather.

My father was his son, Samuel Strickland

Ed

Event Type: Christening
Event Date: 31 Aug 1828
Event Place: St Michael, Macclesfield, Cheshire, England
Father's Name: James Kirkham
Mother's Name: Mary Ann Kirkham

[hiker108]

My Kirkham AND Whittaker ancestors all immigrated from Macclesfield in the late 1800s and started another major silk, cotton, etc industry in Paterson, NJ!!
My grandfather was a silk weaver in Paterson.

Ed Strickland, Descended from William Kirkham, son of James Kirkham.