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Re: Allen family (Colwall)
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 16 June 10 13:50 BST (UK) »
think this could be marriage of ethel
name; ethel.c.tyler
y.o.r. 1911
qtr; apr/may/jun
dist; bristol
vol; 6a
page; 183
possible spouse,henry.j.breach,william.t.sims

having had a look at births with mothers maiden name tyler
there is this
ethel.d.sims
y.o.r. 1912
qtr; oct/nov/dec
dist; bristol
vol; 6a
page; 22
mothers maiden name; tyler
so it would seem to imply that she married william.t.sims
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Re: Allen family (Colwall)
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 16 June 10 14:05 BST (UK) »
possible sighting of clara in 1901
RG13/2365/57/3
william hunt age 35. b. buxton,derby. occ. schoolmaster. head
mary age 36. b. manchester. wife
harry age 11. b. cheshire. son
annie age 1mnth. b. clifton. daughter(sick)
clara tyler age 49. b. colwall. occ. monthly nurse. lodger(wid)
living at;3,clifton --- terrace,clifton,bristol,gloucs
cattell,alcester
vickers,sulgrave
hewish,holborn
manley,bethnal green
barnes,bassingbourn

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Re: Allen family (Colwall)
« Reply #29 on: Wednesday 16 June 10 14:12 BST (UK) »
here is clara in 1891 with a child you do not have
1891
RG12/1967/32/26
edward deveraux tyler age 41. b. malvern. occ. groom(coachman). head
clara 41. b. colwall. wife
ethel clara age 16. b. portishead. daughter
dorcus emily age 15. b. ditto. daughter
gertrude annie age ?. b. ditto. daughter(on the image age is 12 but crossed out and 3 inserted)
living at;10,dowry square,holy trinity,bristol,gloucs

had a look at 1881 census of clara and gertrude does not appear on it so probably age is 3 not 12
having said that i cannot see a birth that would fit.
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barnes,bassingbourn

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Re: Allen family (Colwall)
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 16 June 10 14:28 BST (UK) »
clara is still around in 1911 still in bristol aged 61
cannot post any more details about 1911 census(not allowed to due to copyright)
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Re: Allen family (Colwall)
« Reply #31 on: Wednesday 16 June 10 14:38 BST (UK) »
this is possibly claras death
name; clara tyler
y.o.r. 1915
qtr; jan/feb/mar
dist; bristol
vol; 6a
page; 29
age at death; 65
est. birth year; 1850
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Re: Allen family (Colwall)
« Reply #32 on: Wednesday 16 June 10 14:50 BST (UK) »
here is clara in 1891 with a child you do not have
1891
RG12/1967/32/26
edward deveraux tyler age 41. b. malvern. occ. groom(coachman). head
clara 41. b. colwall. wife
ethel clara age 16. b. portishead. daughter
dorcus emily age 15. b. ditto. daughter
gertrude annie age ?. b. ditto. daughter(on the image age is 12 but crossed out and 3 inserted)
living at;10,dowry square,holy trinity,bristol,gloucs

had a look at 1881 census of clara and gertrude does not appear on it so probably age is 3 not 12
having said that i cannot see a birth that would fit.
think dorcus is on the 1911 census under name emily tyler born portishead age down as 34 in 1911
also ethel clara tyler is there as well aged 31 born portishead
which throws a query up on the marriage posted for her to william sims
the marr was regd in apr/may/jun
so need to find the date the 1911 census was taken
maybe SKS could help with that
mick
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vickers,sulgrave
hewish,holborn
manley,bethnal green
barnes,bassingbourn

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Re: Allen family (Colwall)
« Reply #33 on: Wednesday 16 June 10 14:51 BST (UK) »
will leave it there for now
if there is any of the other names in these posts that you would like me to look for just let us know
mick
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vickers,sulgrave
hewish,holborn
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Re: Allen family (Colwall)
« Reply #34 on: Wednesday 16 June 10 18:42 BST (UK) »
Mick, thanks a lot, you've been brilliant.

All the facts you mentioned match what I found so far. I didn't know about the birth of Gertrud Annie; she seems to have been born in 1887 in Barton Regis (I think it's where her father Edward Devereux Tyler died), and it looks like she died aged 12 in 1900 in Bristol, which explains why she's not on the census in 1901, and it wound certainly point out her age in 1891 around 3, not 12 as you noted.

I'd say the 1911 census was taken when Ethel Clara was still single; she probably married soon afterward. I've noticed she and her sister were living in the same house as the rest of their family ten years previously, and Dorcas probably stayed there till her death in 1919 (she was a spinster). The death date for Clara Allen Tyler seems also quite deffinitive. I liked the detail of her being a nurse!

As for the eldest daughter, Florence, I found she married, but the only births of children with matching surname were born quite a long time after the marriage took place.

I wonder if I have living descendants on this side!

Thank you Mick!
Herefordshire: ALLEN (Colwall), CARTWRIGHT (Kington & Almeley), DAVIS (Colwall), EVANS (Pembridge), GODSALL (Colwall), JONES (Whitbourne), MORRIS (Kington & Kinnersley), MOUND (Wormsley), TIPPINS (Staunton-on-Arrow), RODWAY (Colwall), VICKRESS (Wellington & Hope-under-Dinmore), WATKINS (Almeley)
Shropshire: MOUND (Hope Bagot)
Worcestershire: PARKER (Kempsey)

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Re: Allen family (Colwall)
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 17 June 10 15:20 BST (UK) »
regarding living descendants
will p.m. you
cattell,alcester
vickers,sulgrave
hewish,holborn
manley,bethnal green
barnes,bassingbourn