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Re: Molloy/Tinkler/St Clair
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 03:25 GMT (UK) »
From www.familysearch.org.  Leslie had a sister Hetty born 1897 in Melbourne came to NZ around 1924, I have her death cert also. Parents Joseph and Elsie. She first married at 20 in Australia but doesn't name her first husband.
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Re: Molloy/Tinkler/St Clair
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 04:41 GMT (UK) »

Leslie had a sister Hetty born 1897 in Melbourne came to NZ around 1924, I have her death cert also. Parents Joseph and Elsie. She first married at 20 in Australia but doesn't name her first husband.

So you think that he changed his name from Tinkler to St Clair in New Zealand
Ettie Evelyn Tinkler born 1897 at Carlton W Hospital reg no 9537
Elspeth Irene born 1899 Richmond reg no 21548

From the Victorian BDM
Elspeth Rena StCLAIR  (possibly Elspeth Irene?)
married Sydney Herbert ROGERS 1917

Can't see any marriage in Victoria for Hetty/Ettie  :-\

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Re: Molloy/Tinkler/St Clair
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 05 November 08 21:32 GMT (UK) »
Rena Elspeth ROGERS died aged 69  in 1967 at Alex reg no 11811
fathe Joseph St. Clair mother Elspeth Stephen


this matches  the  birth  but  I  think  you  really  need  to purchase a certificate  to  further your cause

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Re: Molloy/Tinkler/St Clair
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 09 November 08 03:43 GMT (UK) »
Have been on the Victorian BDM site but had no luck with a marriage cert.
I am going to write to the submitter for the individual record in familysearch.
See where that gets me.
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Re: Molloy/Tinkler/St Clair
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 09 November 08 07:50 GMT (UK) »
Brent ....do we actually have the births details of two different people  ie Joseph William TINKLER and Joseph Walter ST CLAIR

From family search
ST CLAIR Joseph Walter
Birth  30 Oct 1876  Auckland, New Zealand     
Father    George St Clair    
Mother     Bridget

and

TINKLER Joseph William born Tasmania     with parents William ST CLAIR and Sophie GILES  ???

You really need to follow tropicalj's advice and download the marriage certificate of Joseph TINKLER and Elspeth STEPHENS.

The only STEPHEN/S birth in 1869

STEPHEN Elsie
Father Charles Patrick
Mother Mary Ann BERGIN
Birth Place SANDRIDGE  1869  Reg# 11465

I wonder if Sophia who married 1st Michael Molloy, 2nd Stracran Tinkler, had anything to do with William St Clair of Hobart Tasmania??

This may also be a useful death certificate even though no parents' names are known, it should detail her  marriages and children of same.

TINKLER  Sophia
Father Unknown Mother Unknown UNKNOWN
68 years  Death place Melbourne East   1899  Reg# 6652


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Re: Molloy/Tinkler/St Clair
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 09 November 08 09:33 GMT (UK) »
Have you this death cert

ST CLAIR Elsie
Father Stephens Chas Patk
Mother Mary Ann BERGIN
46 years  At Hotham East  1915  Reg# 9570

Wonder where the Elspeth Inglis came from?

Do you know when your Joseph moved to New Zealand?

Elsie is the only ST CLAIR at the following addresses on the electoral roll in Victoria.

Australian Electoral Roll 1900 - 1936
1909
ST CLAIR Elsie  62 Jeffcott Street, Melbourne   Housemaid

1914
ST CLAIR Elsie  625 Lonsdale Street, Melbourne   Lodging Housekeeper
and she moved to
ST CLAIR Elsie 190 Albert Street East Brunswick   Home duties

Looks as though they had separated by 1909.

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Re: Molloy/Tinkler/St Clair
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 09 November 08 09:40 GMT (UK) »
Cando  I  don't  think  this  one is  related (but  then  you  never know)

the  mother was Elspeth Inglis Stephens

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Re: Molloy/Tinkler/St Clair
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 09 November 08 09:51 GMT (UK) »
Elspeth Inglis Stephens B 21.05.1869/ D 29.07.1915

The only STEPHEN/S birth in 1869

STEPHEN Elsie
Father Charles Patrick
Mother Mary Ann BERGIN
Birth Place SANDRIDGE  1869  Reg# 11465

The children would not be old enough in 1909 to be on the Electoral Roll.

The TINKLER/STEPHEN marriage cert is certainly essential to move ahead with this family.

I have run out of steam with this one ;D ;D

Cheers
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Re: Molloy/Tinkler/St Clair
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 09 November 08 09:58 GMT (UK) »
Very interesting Cando

a  tangled web to be sure ::) ::)

Jenn
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SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
VAN REYK Sri Lanka
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