Molloy/Tinkler/St Clair

[brent]

Thanks for your interest, I don't have any cert's for Elsie Stephens. On Joseph St Clair's death cert it says he died on the 07/08/1937, and had been in NZ 40years, so that would have been around 1897 he came over.
Lorraine

[brent]

Just been on Victorian BDM again but there are no cert's for Joseph Tinkler or Elspeth Stephens marriage birth or death. Nothing for Sophia Tinkler death either.
A very tangled web.
Lorraine

[Raylen]

Found this mariage in Victoria
Elspeth Inglis STEPHEN married Jos WM TINKLER
in 1890 at Port Melbourne reg no 6520              Jenn

TINKLER  Sophia
Father Unknown Mother Unknown UNKNOWN
68 years  Death place Melbourne East   1899  Reg# 6652

Cando
   

Hi Lorraine,

If you use the registration numbers given for the Sophia Tinkler death
and the Elspeth Stephen (note -  's' on Stephen  as quoted above by
Jenn and cando you will go to a page where you place the order for the
certificates.  You then use the good old credit card to pay and print the
certificates off on your computer straight away.

If you need anymore help.........just yell. There is always someone here to help.

Raylen

[brent]

This is all new to me, but will give it another go using the reg numbers. Yeah I've been using the card.
Lorraine

[cando]

Thanks for your interest, I don't have any cert's for Elsie Stephens. On Joseph St Clair's death cert it says he died on the 07/08/1937, and had been in NZ 40years, so that would have been around 1897 he came over.
Lorraine

Mmmm....well if the  informant's knowledge was accurate that makes me wonder if he was the childrens' father.


I note that the submitter of information on familysearch may be a descendant of Rena Elspeth ROGERS nee TINKLER/ST CLAIR.

Have you made contact with the submitter?

Cando

[brent]

No not yet, I only have her address so am going to write to her. Have a copy of Sophia's death cert being posted to me, but that will probably take a week or so, through Victorian BDM.
Lorraine

[Beverley Gorr]

I am wanting to contact any descendants of Joseph William Tinkler married Elspeth Inglis Stephen  July 30 , 1890, children Leslie William, Cyril Roy, Ettie and Elspeth Irene all born in the 1890's.Perhaps born in Australia.

[brent]

Hi Beverley, I'm Lorraine Davidson(nee St Clair). This what I know so far.
MICHAEL MOLLOY b1812 Castlecomer,Kilkenny,Ireland. Transported to Tasmania aboard convict ship Gilmore 1832.
SOPHIA GILES b1826 England. Transported to Tasmania aboard convict ship Garland Grove leaving Woolwich London 02/10/1842, arriving Tasmania 20/01/1843. My gg grandparents.
1849 a daughter Henrietta Giles born to Sophia at Ross Female Factory Tasmania, no father recorded.
1850 24th Dec convicts permission to marry.
1851 13th Jan Sophia married Michael Molloy at St Lukes Campbell Town in the parish church,Michael 36yrs constable, Sophia 25yrs house servant.
Children born to them, 1853 Catherine, 1854 Ellen, 1858 Michael died 1859 convulsions, 1860 Unnamed died 1860, 1861 Sophia died 1863 diarrhoea, 1864 John, 1865 William died 1865 convulsions, 1868 JOSEPH WILLIAM, 1870 Arthur Thomas.
Michael Molloy died 16/06/1870, 5 weeks before Arthur was born.
Sophia moved to Victoria and in 1874 married Strachan William Tinkler. Her children JOSEPH and Arthur took the name Tinkler, and daughters Henrietta, Catherine and Ellen kept Molloy.
JOSEPH WILLIAM TINKLER married Elspeth(Elsie) Inglis Stephen in Victoria 1890, they had 4 children. LESLIE WILLIAM 1893, Cyril Roy 1895, Ettie Evelyn 1897 and Elspeth Irene 1899.
Between 1900 & 1903 the family changed their surname to St Clair. Reason unknown.
Shortly after JOSEPH and Elsie separated but did not divorce. JOSEPH came to New Zealand between 1903 & 1917. Two of his children followed LESLIE WILLIAM & Ettie. Elsie stayed in Victoria with her other children.
JOSEPH remarried, although he wasn't divorced, Kathleen(Kate) Parsons in 1930. I have found their graves.
LESLIE WILLIAM married Elsie Mary Edlin on the 05/04/1920, they had 5 children, twins Phyllis Joan & Mavis Gwen. KEITH WILLIAM,

[brent]

cont'd: Roy & Ray.
My dad was KEITH WILLIAM.
This has taken me years as I was looking for St Clair's, and was not getting anywhere.
Had a lot of help from Leigh who's in Australia.
Where are you and where do you fit in this puzzle.
Regards Lorraine.