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Hannah Eleanora Motley nee Maddison
« on: Thursday 20 November 08 10:41 GMT (UK) »
My question is centered on my great grandmother Hannah Eleanora Maddison born in South Australia in 1878. She was the daughter of George and Ann from Durham England, and I have the names of her siblings.

Hannah's eldest son Alfred James Maddison (1898-1934) was my maternal grandfather. Hannah Maddison married Charles Henry Motley in 1899 and had two sons, Charles Henry (known as Mick) born 1902, and James Roydon (known as Roy) born in 1904. What we have only just found out is that they also had a daughter, Ruby Eleanor Ann, born 5 March 1900, died 31 July 1951. There appears to have been hardly any contact between Hannah and Alfred's family after he died, so I know hardly anything about what happened to her or her other children. In particular, I am most curious to know why nobody in the family had ever heard about Ruby. Any information would be very welcome.
Livia
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Simpson (Glasgow)
Topliss (Isle of Man)
Clonan (or Cloonan), Bennett (or Bent) (Westmeath Ireland)
all migrated to South Australia between 1836 and 1890s

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Re: Maddison family South Australia
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 20 November 08 10:51 GMT (UK) »
HI Livia

Its hard to answer why the family didnt talk,  we would only be assuming, ?  Are you in contact with the children/grandchildren  of Ruby,  or the other brothers,   maybe they may know something ? 

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Hannah Eleanora Motley nee Maddison
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 20 November 08 11:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Daizi

I have never had any contact with any of Hannah's three children by Charles Motley or their descendents. I believe one of the two sons went to NSW and nobody knew what happened to the other one. The only surviving child of Alfred says she had no idea her father had a half sister Ruby. I get the feeling there were some skeletons in the closet. It may be that Ruby had a disability which, in 1900, might have meant she was put in an institution and 'forgotten', but this is just a guess. On second thoughts, I will put the name Motley in my subject line. Maybe information will come from that family or their connections.

Livia
Gilbertson (Burnley Lancs)
Maddison (Durham)
Snell (Cornwall)
Lamb (Nottinghamshire)
Simpson (Glasgow)
Topliss (Isle of Man)
Clonan (or Cloonan), Bennett (or Bent) (Westmeath Ireland)
all migrated to South Australia between 1836 and 1890s

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Re: Hannah Eleanora Motley nee Maddison
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 20 November 08 11:47 GMT (UK) »
From http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/

MOTLEY, CHARLES HENRY
Service    Australian Army
Service Number    VX41239
Date of Birth    4 Jan 1902
Place of Birth    ADELAIDE, SA
Date of Enlistment    28 Jun 1940
Locality on Enlistment    BALRANALD, VIC
Place of Enlistment    CAULFIELD, VIC
Next of Kin    MOTLEY, ROY
Date of Discharge    4 Oct 1940
Rank    Private
Posting at Discharge    2/22 TB
WW2 Honours and Gallantry    None for display
Prisoner of War    No

MOTLEY, ROYDON JAMES
Service    Australian Army
Service Number    SX275
Date of Birth    8 May 1905
Place of Birth    ADELAIDE, SA
Date of Enlistment    20 Oct 1939
Locality on Enlistment    PARKSIDE, SA
Place of Enlistment    KESWICK, SA
Next of Kin    MOTLEY, ANNIE
Date of Discharge    28 Apr 1941
Rank    Private
Posting at Discharge    2/33 Battalion
WW2 Honours and Gallantry    None for display
Prisoner of War    No


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Re: Hannah Eleanora Motley nee Maddison
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 20 November 08 11:48 GMT (UK) »
Hell o there

Do  you have  when Charles Motely died?  did  Hannah remarry?

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Re: Hannah Eleanora Motley nee Maddison
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 20 November 08 11:51 GMT (UK) »
From NSW BDM

Death
37735 1969     
MOTLEY      Roydon James    
Father Charles  Mother Hannah
District St Leonards

The purchase of this cert would give you any family he had. ie if it was known to the informant.

Transcriptions are a cheaper and quicker option.  Details on NSW BDM website

From http://www.rootsweb.com/~nswsdps/dpsindex.htm
MOTLEY   Roydon James   Death notice   21SEP1969   Death       late of Mosman   
Sydney Morning Herald   23SEP1969

There is a facility on the website to request a copy of the notice.  Lookups done by volunteers.   

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Re: Hannah Eleanora Motley nee Maddison
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 20 November 08 11:52 GMT (UK) »
From Vic Indexes
Death

MOTLEY Charles Henry
Father Unknown  Mother UNKNOWN
Death Plac: Armadale   64 years   1966  Reg# 1181

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Re: Hannah Eleanora Motley nee Maddison
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 20 November 08 12:02 GMT (UK) »
Marriage in NSW

12037 1940     
MOTLEY      Roydon James    
KLUMPP      Amelia Annie
District North Sydney

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Re: Hannah Eleanora Motley nee Maddison
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 20 November 08 12:55 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much, Cando, at last I can start to fill in a few gaps. In answer to your questions Jenn, I don't know where or when Charles Motley died. Hannah was not married when she had her first son Alfred James Maddison in 1898: her first marriage was to Charles Motley in Adelaide on 18 April 1899 and their first child was the mysterious missing Ruby born in 1900. I have been led to believe that a daughter of the son Charles Henry (Mick) Motley is still alive but I haven't a clue where she is. I wonder whether she knows about her 'Aunt Ruby".
I appreciate your interest and help.
Livia
Gilbertson (Burnley Lancs)
Maddison (Durham)
Snell (Cornwall)
Lamb (Nottinghamshire)
Simpson (Glasgow)
Topliss (Isle of Man)
Clonan (or Cloonan), Bennett (or Bent) (Westmeath Ireland)
all migrated to South Australia between 1836 and 1890s