Birth and Death lookup - Great name !

[Necromancer]

Good stuff Galium !

That 1st marriage Cert would be good to have to match occupation with your 1891 find ...


Did PTD see the facts about the younger Alice ?

[Galium]

I see that Frederick married Kitty White in 1903 - looks like they were already together in 1901.

[Necromancer]

which says that the first wife (Alice or Susannah) died - if indeed she did ! - twixt 1893 and 1900ish ?

[ptdrifter]

If you have access to the 19th Century British Library Newspaper collection, you may have seen a report from Derby Borough Police Court about Frederick Fant Abbott [Derby Mercury  3 May 1899].  He was summoned for travelling on the Midland Railawy without paying his proper fare.  It says that the defendant is a lecturer on shorthand, and that he did not appear because he was lecturing in Bristol.  It also mentions that he had given an address in London.

Reports in the Times from 1926 mention litigation between Frederick Fant Abbott, illusionist and several newspapers, for libel.

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1901 census

25 Argyle Street, Grays Inn lane, London

[several households at this address]

Frederick Abbott head 30 Professional artiste  Derbyshire, Derby
Kitty Abbott      wife    26 Professional artiste Nottinghamshire, Nottingham

Class: RG13/Piece: 141/ Folio: 77/ Page: 32

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1891 census

18 New York Street, Chorlton-on-Medlock, Lancashire

[household of John Gibson coal dealer]

Frederick Abbott boarder 21 Professional lecturer  Derby

Class: RG12/ Piece: 3184/ Folio 31/ Page 20

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Wonderful stuff Galium, how did you find him ? I have searched and searched the censuses for him. Now you have found him and when i search up he comes !!!! ?
Many many thanks . 

I love Rootschatters , always willing to help

[ptdrifter]

which says that the first wife (Alice or Susannah) died - if indeed she did ! - twixt 1893 and 1900ish ?

He divorced his first wife Alice Hawthorne Abbot nee Axe in 1902.

[ptdrifter]

It says that the defendant is a lecturer on shorthand,

That fits perfectly as I have found a book on Swiftograph shorthand by Professor Fant Abbott

wooo hooo

[Necromancer]

It seems you knew more about his first marriage then ?  Would have saved a lot of time - looking for a death to try and ascertain his whereabouts ....

any relevant details from that first marriage to help pin him down pre-1891.

 

[Galium]

If you consider the possibility that Frederick was born out of wedlock - a tentative candidate for his father might be Patrick Fant, surgeon, born c1815 in Ireland.

He appears on the 1861 census living in Derby. [Class: RG9/ Piece: 2501/ Folio: 4/ Page: 7]

and in the 1871 census living in Litchurch, Derbyshire. [Class: RG10/ Piece: 3574/ Folio: 84/ Page: 27]

Both times he says he is married, but no wife is present.

[ptdrifter]

Is this  a third marriage?

Marriages Sep quarter 1912 
ABBOTT    Frederick F M    Thorne    Paddington    1a   229    
THORNE    Doris    Abbott    Paddington    1a   229    

Hmmm very possibly, thank you Galium

(Wouldn't you know it, just after the census (when it comes out ))

Yes definitely him, and I have now found that Doris died in 1924, (run over by a bus), F F M Abbott died in 1947.
If anyone has access to the "The Stage" archives, look for " Fant Abbott"  and his stage name "Charcot". He is a fascinating character, I have spent hours today reading about him.