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Re: Westgate St. IPSWICH - 1891.
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 04 January 09 19:50 GMT (UK) »
Well, David, I got an attack of the 'psychic shudders' when I read your last message.  Wow! Can that be the answer?  As you say, it all seems too easy, but what a coincidence - the name, the regiment, Newark, the date....

As you say, t'will take a lot more research, but yes, it is quite possible that the name is mis-spelled as was common on those days.  I must say I am quite flabbergasted at this turn of events....

And yes, my mother's phrase is rather graphically wonderful, isn't it!

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Suffolk: Pearl(e),  Garnham, Southgate, Blo(o)mfield,Grimwood/Grimwade,Josselyn/Gosling
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
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Re: Westgate St. IPSWICH - 1891.
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 04 January 09 20:53 GMT (UK) »
Good evening, Greensleeves.

I've just looked in the mirror and my eyes are definitely starting to turn square !
No joy looking for a male ASTHILL though. On Family Search there are only sixteen with that spelling for the whole country across the centuries.

On the other hand, there are more ASTILL's  than you can shake a stick at. And it seems to be a popular surname in - yes, you've guessed it - Notts.

But how to tie the two  (Annie and G.) together, that's the hard part.

By the way, sorry if my last post sent a shiver through you. I must admit I was somewhat surprised myself  -  almost like a ghost jumping out from the screen. I wonder......naah!

Time for some more digging !

Kind regards, David.
Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires ?).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.

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Re: Westgate St. IPSWICH - 1891.
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 04 January 09 21:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Suffolk is known for its tranquility and peacefullness. In my opinion it is one of the most peaceful counties in England. I have many Suffolk ancestors who came from mainly the East but also some from the West near Bury St Edmunds and some from South West near Haverhill.

Ben
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Westgate St. IPSWICH - 1891.
« Reply #30 on: Sunday 04 January 09 21:29 GMT (UK) »
Hmmm.... well David, how about if we try to link the regiment to Ipswich in some way...?  Did they visit? Was there some kind of event...?  That sort of thing.  Hope you don't mind me throwing ideas in, but I really am intrigued, and I am absolutely certain that Annie would like her name cleared and the true story told!
I  think  that  Annie would have met her bloke (whether he be Asthill or someone else)  in 1893 or 1894 and the chances are that she wasn't mobile, so he must have come to her, if you see what I mean.  And as her next appearance was in Newark, it is not unreasonable to assume that that is the area he came from.

I do think the Ast(h)ill death in SA is a remarkable coincidence though.....

If I find anything else I'll let you know.

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Suffolk: Pearl(e),  Garnham, Southgate, Blo(o)mfield,Grimwood/Grimwade,Josselyn/Gosling
Durham/Yorkshire: Sedgwick/Sidgwick, Shadforth
Ireland: Davis
Norway: Torreson/Torsen/Torrison
Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


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Re: Westgate St. IPSWICH - 1891.
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 04 January 09 21:37 GMT (UK) »
I know what you're saying, Ben. Were you born in Suffolk?

David
Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires ?).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.

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Re: Westgate St. IPSWICH - 1891.
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 04 January 09 21:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi

No but my paternal grandfathers father came from Suffolk and moved to Essex in about 1905 to work in the mills in Rochford. He later became a cobbler. I was born in Norfolk to Essex born parents.

Ben
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain

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Re: Westgate St. IPSWICH - 1891.
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 04 January 09 21:52 GMT (UK) »
Or was he from Ipswich/Essex/Earsham and merely taken to Newark to enlist?
Constance and Franks' step-brother, Hennes Bedwell joined the army in 1915 but had to go to Manchester to enlist. He was then in the East Lancashire Regt although hailing from Earsham. This was the practice.

All ideas are welcome,Greensleeves and gratefully received.

Here, I'll pass you a shovel. Please feel free to dig !!!

Another question :  Were the infants put into a home and adopted from there, or was it informal ie did the Bedwells know Annie ?????

One breakthrough....that's all we need !

Regards, David.
Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires ?).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.

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Re: Westgate St. IPSWICH - 1891.
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 04 January 09 21:57 GMT (UK) »
Still, you're not far away from Suffolk are you, Ben. Close enough to feel an affinity with the county. I feel the same pride and warmth for my home county,Yorkshire.
I always said that if I left Yorkshire, I'd leave the UK.

Still feel the same.

David.

and where the heck did that 'smiley' icon thing come from in the previous post?
Yorkshire: Riley, Holdstock, Smith, Turner, Pearson, Bailey, Swift.
Devon: Spry, Gimblett, Sleep, Wyvell(Wyvill), Fox, Kingsbear.
Lancashire; Squires (Swires ?).
Norfolk/Suffolk: Auston, Bedwell, Crooks, Charlish.
Essex: Auston,.

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Re: Westgate St. IPSWICH - 1891.
« Reply #35 on: Monday 05 January 09 10:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I have been to Suffolk many times and have visited the villages where my ancestors came from. Letheringham, Easton, Marlesford, Hacheston, Brandeston and many more villages. They are so quiet and picturesque. All of them are buried in the local churchyards.

Letheringham Churchyard is tucked away behind a farm and the surroundings take the rural meaning of Suffolk to extremes as the area is so nice and isolated.

Ben
Researching:

LONDON, Coombs, Roberts, Auber, Helsdon, Fradine, Morin, Goodacre
DORSET Coombs, Munday
NORFOLK Helsdon, Riches, Harbord, Budery
KENT Roberts, Goodacre
SUSSEX Walder, Boniface, Dinnage, Standen, Lee, Botten, Wickham, Jupp
SUFFOLK Titshall, Frost, Fairweather, Mayhew, Archer, Eade, Scarfe
DURHAM Stewart, Musgrave, Wilson, Forster
SCOTLAND Stewart in Selkirk
USA Musgrave, Saix
ESSEX Cornwell, Stock, Quilter, Lawrence, Whale, Clift
OXON Edgington, Smith, Inkpen, Snell, Batten, Brain