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Somers/Hourican name change c.1855 MYSTERY...
« on: Tuesday 13 January 09 18:00 GMT (UK) »
I've been researching my Hourican family in N.Longford with some success. I had been told many years ago of a link between our name and the name Somers - that our name derived from it.

But now I think that for some unknown reason, family members changed from Hourican to Somers and then back again. In the 1855 Griffiths valuation all of the places in and around Dunbeggan that I know were occupied by Houricans are suddenly all Somers - all the first names are the same as in a previous listing in in later listings.

I know from research completed by a genealogist that there were Houricans that predate the 1850's and yet there is not a single Hourican in the area in the 1854-5 Griffiths.

Why would this have happened? Was it expedient? How could I research this in greater detail?

Thanks in advance for anyone who takes this on....and let me know if you need more detail.
Margaret.

Researching:
Hourican, Donohue + Reilly in N.Longford, Columbkille.

Devine, Dunning + Carroll in Drum/Taghmaconnell/Ardkeenan, Co Roscommon.

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Re: Somers/Hourican name change c.1855 MYSTERY...
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 January 10 12:46 GMT (UK) »
I the 1901 census there are in Dunbeggan
Mary Hourican  Head 51 farmer
Jualia Houriscan daughter 16 scholar
Bridget Hourican daughter 12 scholar
James Hourican Son 25 Farmers son
Berbard Hourican Son 19 ditto
Michael Hourican son 14 scholar.

new family
Philip Hourican Head 40 farmer
Philip Hourican son 16 scholar
John Hourican son 15 scholar
Michael Hourican Son 12 scholar
Bridget Hourican Daughter 11 scholar
William Hourican son 9 scholar
Maggie Hourican daughter 8 scholar
Thomas Hourican son 5 scholar
Patrick Hourican son 3 scholar
Mary A Hourican daughter 2 scholar.

new family
James Hourican Head 30 farmer
Bridget Hourican wife 32 farmer's wife
Thomas Patrick Hourican son 12 scholar
Margaret Hourican Daughter 8 scholar
Eliza Clynes Servant 20 domestic servant.

new family
Thomas Hourican head 70 farmer
Catherine Hourican wife 65 Farmer's wife
Patrick Hourican son 34 farmer's son
Anne Hourican Daughter in law 30 housekeeper.

There are also Gintys
Donohoes
Reillys
Mulligans
Feeney
Farrels
Dunne
Kavanagh
McGuire
Kinlans
Kiernans
Fitzpatrick
Hope this helps you

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Re: Somers/Hourican name change c.1855 MYSTERY...
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 01 January 14 03:40 GMT (UK) »
Well, hello to someone who probably is family!!!

Mygreat grandmother is Hourican from Aughnacliffe, where they still have a pub. Her husband was a John Carty of Aughagreagh, and she had a son James (also other sons and daughter, names unknown) who was my grandfather.

Her husband John Carty was the son of a Thomas Carty who was married to a Mary Ann Mullanniffe, who is buried in Aughnacliffe, but there is no record of his burial place.

For the Donohoes, my mother was one, from Lislea outside Ballinalee, her mother was a Reilly of Molly and thats as far back as I can go. They are related to the recently retired bishop Colm  O Reilly, whose family originally were Reilly, being known as "Red John Reillys", and claim descent from Myles the Slasher Reilly. Being Irish theyd find it hard to exaggerate or tell a lie. Being from Longford, harder still, and being from North Longford, you can be assured all they say is the gospel truth.

As they say in America... "NOOOOT!!!"
Carty
Donohoe
Reilly (of Molly)
Drake
Hourican
Coyle
Mullanniffe

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Re: Somers/Hourican name change c.1855 MYSTERY...
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 January 14 09:22 GMT (UK) »
1848-1854 Griffith’s valuation
Campbell        Mary               Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Coyle           Matthew            Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Coyle           Patrick            Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Coyle           Rose               Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Fallon          Mary               Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Farrelly        Edward             Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Farrelly        Michael            Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Fox             Rose               Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Gormley         Catherine          Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Kiernan         Bernard            Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Kiernan         James              Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Kiernan         Patrick            Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Mahon           Patrick            Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Mahon           Thomas             Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Martin          James              Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Mulligan        Patrick            Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Mulligan        Peter              Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Mulvany         John               Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Reilly          Hugh               Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Reilly          John               Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Rheil           James              Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Rheil           Michael            Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Rheil           Patrick            Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Rhiel           James              Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Rhiel           Michael            Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Roddin          John               Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Roddin          Michael            Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford
Somers          Michael            Carrickadorrish        Columbkille     Longford

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Re: Somers/Hourican name change c.1855 MYSTERY...
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 01 January 14 09:30 GMT (UK) »
Name:    Jas Hourican
Also Known As:    
Role of Individual:    Other
Event:    Prison
Event Date:    1924
Event Place:    Mountjoy, Dublin, Ireland
Residence:    Columbkille Co Longford
Age:    
Birthplace:    
Estimated Birth Year:    
Prison:    Mountjoy
Offence:    Larceny 3 Postal Packets
Victim:    
Victim's Address:    
Where Convicted:    
Item:    1
Book:    1/53/10
County:    Dublin
Film Number:    2357054
Digital Folder Number:    004492735
Image Number:    00143

THIS IS THE REILLY FROM MOLLY
Name:    John Reilly
Also Known As:    
Role of Individual:    Prisoner
Event:    Prison
Event Date:    1866
Event Place:    Richmond (Bridewell), Dublin, Ireland
Residence:    Parish Of Columbkill Co Longford
Age:    
Birthplace:    
Estimated Birth Year:    
Prison:    Richmond (Bridewell)
Offence:    
Victim:    
Victim's Address:    
Where Convicted:    
Item:    3
Book:    1/13/42
County:    Dublin
Film Number:    2356827
Digital Folder Number:    004492670
Image Number:    00705