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Re: Sarah Jane Robinson (Kelly)
« Reply #9 on: Monday 08 May 17 14:47 BST (UK) »
1861
Burton, Kendal, Westmorland, England

John   Robinson   Head   Married   Male   34   Agricultural Labourer, Preston Patrick, Westmorland
Sarah   Robinson   Wife   Married   Female   33   Hutton Roof, Westmorland
William   Hodgson   Stepson   Male   11      Hutton Roof, Westmorland
George   Robinson   Son   Male   8   1853      Whittington, Lancashire
Elizabeth Jane   Robinson   Daughter   Female   6   Burton,
John   Robinson   Son   Male   4   Burton,
Matthew   Robinson   Son   Male   2   Burton
Thomas   Robinson   Son Male   0, Burton
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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: Sarah Jane Robinson (Kelly)
« Reply #10 on: Monday 08 May 17 14:51 BST (UK) »
Possible but likely marriage, first son born in Whittington, Lancs

Marriages Sep Q 1852  only couple on page
HODGSON    Sarah        Lancaster    8e   709    
ROBINSON    John        Lancaster    8e   709    

Marriage: Lancs BMD 1852
HODGSON   Sarah - ROBINSON John   Lunesdale, Whittington, St Michael The Archangel   Preston   CE16/1/37

1851 couple are working together as servants https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYT-YVG

Possible 1891 for Sarah Jane, pob is Burton https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4Y4X-Y3Z

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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: Sarah Jane Robinson (Kelly)
« Reply #11 on: Monday 08 May 17 17:57 BST (UK) »
I believe you are correct in to regard your conclusion. Sarah Jane was born in Kendal 1874, her mother was Dinah Elizabeth, at this time I am awaiting her birth certificate. Dinah was born in 1854. in the 1881 census she had married William Edgar, had 2 children Sarah born 1876 and Mary born 1879.
Dinah died aged 27 in 1881 leaving William a widower. In the 1891 census William is living alone and then dies in 1893 age 46 yrs, I am still trying to locate the whereabouts of the 3 children at that time, I am thinking that maybe they went either to a poor house or were taken in by family. Sarah Jane then goes into service at the age of 17yrs. Clearly at some point she met Patrick Kelly my granddad and then their family came along.
I am only just starting to search my families history so any information is invaluable.

Many thanks for your input.

Regards

Maureen

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Re: Sarah Jane Robinson (Kelly)
« Reply #12 on: Monday 08 May 17 18:46 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I just followed the BC info that OP Trust sent for, so it was the wrong Sarah Jane...

The only other in Kendal around time frame, although there is another earlier in 1871 Mmn Bell.

ROBINSON, SARAH JANE     Mmn ADDISON     
GRO Reference: 1873  S Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 664

This one is the dau of Isabella (nee Addison) and John Robinson and can be found on census.

Cannot find one with Mmn Harris, was Dinah married previously?

Good luck with your search

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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: Sarah Jane Robinson (Kelly)
« Reply #13 on: Monday 08 May 17 19:01 BST (UK) »
I honestly don't know but something seems to have happened, I will keep looking

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Re: Sarah Jane Robinson (Kelly)
« Reply #14 on: Monday 08 May 17 19:35 BST (UK) »
Hi Maureen, had a look back, seems Dinah was not married previous, married as Harris and children Mmn Harris. Had another look for a Sarah Jane b 1874

Found this on family search https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XZ1-VLV check out vol and page number. Could not find it on GRO, so just tried with just surname and vol/page number.

This is what popped up

Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:    
ROBINSON, JANE       -     Mmn blank so likely illegitimate
GRO Reference: 1874  M Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 692  Occasional Copy: A

I think occasional copy A is a cert with amendment, after registering. You can google for info.

Do you think this maybe her. Or is it the cert you are waiting for?

It is there on FreeBMD
Births Mar Q 1874 
Robinson Sarah Jane.     Kendal    10b   692

Curious why both older dau are named Sarah...same as his mother...there may be a possibility that William was her father to a Robinson, and she thought Dinah was her mother, he declares her as Dau not stepdaughter in 1881. Would keep an open mind anything is poss in FH.

Birth reg of sisters

Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:    
EDGAR, MARY  HARRIS  Mmn HARRIS 
GRO Reference: 1878  S Quarter in KENDAL  Volume 10B  Page 709

EDGAR, SARAH     Mmn HARRIS     
GRO Reference: 1875  J Quarter in CHESTERFIELD  Volume 07B  Page 685

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Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall

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Re: Sarah Jane Robinson (Kelly)
« Reply #15 on: Monday 08 May 17 21:22 BST (UK) »
Thank you, you have the same reference codes that I have found

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Re: Sarah Jane Robinson (Kelly)
« Reply #16 on: Monday 08 May 17 21:56 BST (UK) »
Possible for Sarah J 1891 pob is Kendel https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4Y3W-W6Z

Possible for Sarah Edgar 1891 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q1KB-M3Z

Likely 1901 for Mary https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9K4-MFB not with couple in 1891.

Still single in 1911. deleted marriage info, not her, father was Alexander, and middle name Henry.

Be interesting to see what the BC amendment was, and what date? Possibly just to include the name Sarah, but hopefully it will hold more info for you.  Keep us updated if possible. Whoever initially registered this birth, before amendment, named her Jane. She is not on GRO (main registration) as Sarah Jane, the amendment came later.

If not aware. Register, free to search gives Mmn and age at death not on FreeBMD in early years. https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2XZ1-VCW Registered as Jane.

FreeBMD registered as Jane
Births Mar Q 1874   
ROBINSON Jane       Kendal 10b 676

Possibly the amendment was made before Sarah Edgar b 1875, that would explain 2 Sarah as dau? Dinah and William married the next Qrt after Jane/Sarah Jane birth.

Hope you find answers

Best wishes Cas
Census information is Crown Copyright www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Gibbons, Mordecai/Mort, Squire, Thomas, David/Davies, Joseph, Bowen, Lewis, Rees, Williams, Jones, Llewellyn, Morgan - Glam
Gibbons, Timbrell, Beale, Ludlow - Glos/Wilts
Davies, Roderick - Myddfai Carms
Lloyd, Jones - Denbigh/Salop
Shoemac, Squire, Keirle, Small - Somerset
Berry, Baggot, Lee, Clayton - Lancs
Baggot, Hurley, Keaveny, Shiel, Flynn - Ireland
Bray - Cornwall