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Re: Dr James Pawle 1820 Settler to Cape
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 17 February 18 17:59 GMT (UK) »
I found this conversation by accident after searching Dr James Pawle.  I am a descendant on the Van der Hoven side.  My late father started researching James and Jemima Pawle when he retired.  As far as family lore goes Jemima was older than her husband and she committed suicide.  How true that is I do not know.  Tom van der Hoven who also contributed to this discussion must be a cousin of or one of my fathers' cousins sons.  My father was Mathijs Wijand Pretorius 1928 - 1994.  His grandmother was Maria van Wyk (nee Van der Hoven), my grandmother was Anna Maria Francina (I could have the sequence of names wrong) van Wyk 1908-1999, she had two brothers Tom and Cornelius (Koekies), for some reason I think there was a third brother, and sisters Gwendoline, Olivia and Florence -  Diana

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Re: Dr James Pawle 1820 Settler to Cape
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 17 February 18 23:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I did see that research which is filed in the museum in George - I do not know that Jemima committed suicide - that research said she drowned in Knysna but her death notice says she died in George.
I have only researched Maria as far as her marriage and birth of her children
According to my records she had the following children:
  • Thomas Adam born 24/10/1850(George) died 5/12/1899 (Rouxville)
    Jemima Helen Charlotte born 30/12/1852(George) died 1/1/1869 (Oudshoorn)
    James Henry John Born 2/9/1854 (George) died 191/2/1950(Zastron)
    Walter  born 11/8/1856(George) 29/11/1930(Bloemfontein)
    Henry born 13/8/1858(George)   29/9/1936(Zastron)
    Olivia Maria born 9/9/1860 (Oudtshoorn) died 16/7/1924 Bloemfontein)
    Robert Widdicombe 24/1/1863 (Oudtshoorn) Died 10/4/1959 (Pretoria)
    Charles Warden 14/6/1866 (Oudtshoorn) died 9/1/1935 (Pretoria)
    Cornelius 26/10/1868 (Oudtshoorn) 17/12/1902 (Aliwal North)
Happy to share any information about the Pawles.  As I said earlier I think some of the earlier research into James and Jemima is a little flawed, there is no evidence that she was a "Lady" - I have copies of her birth and marriage records and her parents marriage record and there is no indication of title. Her father was a customs officer according to the baptism records of some of her siblings - I need to explore that further as that may give us an indication of his ancestry, would require a visit to the archives in Kew and trawling through the records to find his employment details. Unfortunatelly "Stephen Bacon" is a pretty common name in London so I have not been able to identify his ancestors - his bride Martha Aydon is also proving problematic - I have found a "Martha Aydon" in Yorkshire but she marries elsewhere and no records of "Aydon" in London. I also have not been able to identify what happened to any of Jemima's siblings - again names too common and with none of their second names coming up in the records ,,,,.
James is also impossible - his apprenticeship records do not list parents and I have not been able to locate a baptism for him. From the age given on the known records he was about 6 years younger than Jemima.
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Re: Dr James Pawle 1820 Settler to Cape
« Reply #29 on: Monday 19 February 18 16:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi, Thank you for the info.  Very much the same that I remember from my father.  Although if I remember correctly she was a niece or more likely a great niece of Sir Francis Bacon.  It is very strange that there is so little on James Pawle.  Usually with family trees the females are less likely to be researched and the birth of males more accurately recorded.  You are correct about her drowning, but the story that I know is that she committed suicide by walking into a river.  How true that is nobody will ever know.

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Re: Dr James Pawle 1820 Settler to Cape
« Reply #30 on: Monday 19 February 18 23:23 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sir Francis Bacon lived from 22 January 1561 9 April 1626 so that is 250 years prior to her birth - so any relationship is tenuous would be a niece several times removed.
The research I found in George had Steven Bacon's parents as Thomas Walter Bacon and Lavinia Winifred ? and his parents as Nicolas Bacon and Eleanor and his parents as Sir Francis Bacon and Jemima Jennings - but given that Sir Francis Bacon was survived by his first  (and only) wife with no children.... I suspect the veracity of the research. - I have not been able to find any records that back up any of this parental line!
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Re: Dr James Pawle 1820 Settler to Cape
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 20 February 18 11:33 GMT (UK) »
Wow yes!  I think most people would like to think that they aren't part of just general population.  There was a lot of speculation in the Eastern Cape about 'royal' children.  Still, you have a whole lot more information that I have.  My siblings don't seem to be interested in where we come from, so I am just searching for my own enjoyment.