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Lineage of Ellen Eliza Clayton 1853-1893 (Leeds)
« on: Monday 09 February 09 13:59 GMT (UK) »
I am trying to find out the lineage of my gg grandmother Ellen Eliza Clayton. She was born Jun Qtr 1853 in Scarborough, Yorkshire and died 7 Apr 1893 in Bramley West Yorkshire. Her first marriage was to William Roberts who dies before 1879. They were married in 1868 and had children: George Clayton, Elizabeth Ann, and Mary Ann. Ellen remarries 2nd William Darbyshire (my gg grandfather) on 3 Nov 1879. William was born 14 Dec 1856 and died after 1911.

I attained the marriage certificate for William and Ellen hoping to find out a name of her father. To my surprise, she lists her father as George Roberts, a mason. I believe this is her first husband William's father and in fact was her ex father-in-law. Ellen died leaving 6 children with William, and the two eldest girls, Sarah Ellen and Edith Amelia were eventually Bernardo Home Children and came to Canada in 1896. I have files from the Home of their time in the home and beginnings here in Canada. The records continue until they marry. Although I have had some success with the Darbyshire line, I am unable to find out more on Ellen at this point. Any info on her earlier years would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Lineage of Ellen Eliza Clayton 1853-1893 (Leeds)
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 February 09 14:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi 2ron2,

It would be useful to get hold of Ellen's birth certificate to clarify her parentage. Here a possible Ellen in 1861:

RG9/3618 54 15
Scarborough, Yorkshire
56 Long West Gate

Elizabeth Jackson, head, wid, 61, Joiner's widow
Elizabeth Clayton, dau, mar, 34, Deserted by her husband
Elizabeth clayton, granddau, 13
Ellen Clayton, granddau, 8, scholar

All born Scarborough.

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Re: Lineage of Ellen Eliza Clayton 1853-1893 (Leeds)
« Reply #2 on: Monday 09 February 09 14:19 GMT (UK) »
Ten years earlier:

1851
HO107/2368 351 18
Scarborough, Yorkshire
1 Peacocks Yard

George Clayton, head, 26, Stone Mason, b. Lincolnshire Barton
Elizabeth, wife, 24, b. Scarbro
Elizabeth Hannah, dau, 2, scholar, b. do.

So if I have the right family, maybe the surname Roberts was just a mistake?   
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Re: Lineage of Ellen Eliza Clayton 1853-1893 (Leeds)
« Reply #3 on: Monday 09 February 09 14:25 GMT (UK) »
The deserter in 1861 ...  ::)

1861
RG9/482 10 12
Chatham, Kent
Top of Rhode Street n°1

George Clayton, head, mar, 37, Stone Mason, b. Lincolnshire Barton
Mary, wife, 29, b. Yorkshire Scarboro
George W, son, 6, scholar, b. Surrey Lambeth
Harry M, son, 5, scholar, b. Kent Chatham
John W, son, 2, scholar, b. do.
Rosa B, dau, 10 mo, b. do.
Ellen Brown, visitor, 11, b. Yorkshire Scarboro

It seems he dies in Sep 1868, Medway registration district.
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Re: Lineage of Ellen Eliza Clayton 1853-1893 (Leeds)
« Reply #4 on: Monday 09 February 09 16:05 GMT (UK) »
Hi:  I'd just like to query the date of Ellen Eliza's first marriage - 1868?  If she was born in 1853, that would make her 15  ::)

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Re: Lineage of Ellen Eliza Clayton 1853-1893 (Leeds)
« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 February 09 16:47 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much for those who have replied to try and solve the lineage of Ellen Clayton. I will try to answer your concerns here:

Regarding her marriage at 15. it seems so. I have her marrying William Roberts, Sept Qtr 1868, Pontrefact, Yorkshire: first child George Clayton Roberts born 1871 based on info provided in Barnardo papers. Ages of my gg grandmother's relatives at the time of her entering the Home were provided and info matches what is known.

1861 census for George Clayton as a stone mason is interesting. Ellen being born 1853 and not in the household seems odd though, where would she be at age 8?

The Elizabeth Jackson reference in 1861 with mother Elizabeth Clayton deserted by husband, which includes Ellen Clayton as the granddaughter could indeed be the one. That would make sense why she didn't list her biological father on her wedding registration, but that of her former father-in -law George Roberts. This is worth looking into!

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Re: Lineage of Ellen Eliza Clayton 1853-1893 (Leeds)
« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 February 09 17:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi:  I take it back about the 15 year old!

1861 Census:  RG9 3618 folio 54, page 15
56 Long West Gate, Scarborough
Elizabeth Jackson, 61, joiner's widow
Elizabeth Clayton, 34 deserted by her husband
Elizabeth Clayton 13
Ellen Clayton 8   all born Scarborough

1871 Census:  RG10  4699 folio 57, page 48
37 Dolphin Street, Attercliffe cum Darnall (Sheffield)
William Roberts 23 coalminer, born Barsley Lancashire (?Barnsley)
Helen Eliza 18 born Scarborough
Elizabeth H 1, born Castleford
George C 1 month born Attercliffe
Frank Jennison 44 Father in law, born Norton
Elizabeth Jennison 44 mother in law born Scarborough

1881 Census:  RG11 4532 folio 135 page 19
2 Fishers Yard, Leeds
William Darbyshire 24 Bricklayer's Labourer born Church Fenton
Ellen 28 Tailoress born Scarborough

1881 Census:  RG11 4533 folio 106 page 27
5 Bedford Row, Leeds
Elizabeth Jennison 54 Tailoress, born Scarborough
Elizabeth H Roberts 8 born Leeds
George C Roberts 10 born Sheffield

1891 Census RG12 3678 folio 48, page 34
14 Greenwood Street, Wortley
William Darbyshire 37 cab driver
Ellen 39 born Scarborough
George C Roberts 20 coal driver born Sheffield
Elizabeth ? Roberts 18 tailoress born Leeds
Mary Roberts 13 born Leeds
Sarah E Darbyshire 8 born Leeds
Edith Darbyshire 7 born Leeds
Sam 5 born Leeds
William 3 born Leeds
John J 2 born Leeds

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Re: Lineage of Ellen Eliza Clayton 1853-1893 (Leeds)
« Reply #7 on: Monday 09 February 09 17:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi BumbleB

This is her! You have helped confirm her background for me. I will need to look into who her father was now. I can access through the 1901 census online site that provides census and BMD records. Thank you so much for taking the time to look up this info for me, it is much appreciated. My great grandmother Sarah Ellen Darbysire according to my Dad had little recollection of her mother and knew nothing of her background. So this is big news for my family tree.

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Re: Lineage of Ellen Eliza Clayton 1853-1893 (Leeds)
« Reply #8 on: Monday 09 February 09 17:27 GMT (UK) »
Glad to have been of help.  Good luck with the rest!

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