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Offline benzon

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Children's Home/Residential School, Montcalmville, Quebec
« on: Sunday 15 February 09 09:35 GMT (UK) »
Looking for information on a children's home/residential school in Montcalmville, Quebec.

My grandfather's half sister, Honor Ward, went to Canada, married a John Edward Tingman who was a Canadian soldier sadly dying in 1909 leaving Honor with a young family to bring up.  On the 1911 census I have found two sons, James Tingman and William Tingman at what looks like a children's home/residential school in Montcalmville, Quebec.  The census isn't overly clear but my interpretation would be Finlay Home.  Anyone out there any idea what sort of establishment this might have been.  Both sons seem to have followed in their father's footsteps, so was this an establishment for children of soldiers ???

Just curious really, but any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Denise
LAWRENCE - Gt Hormead, HUTCHIN - Albury, CARTER/CARTER CLAY - St Albans/Stanstead Abbotts, BURTON - Hoddesdon, WARD - Hunsdon, BEARD - Ware, LEE - Cripplegate/Glemsford

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Re: Children's Home/Residential School, Montcalmville, Quebec
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 15 February 09 17:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Denise,

Not sure about the place in 1911, but did find James marrying Lily Maud in Nova Scotia in 1913.

https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/ItemView.aspx?ImageFile=1821-220&Event=marriage&ID=72232

Karen
Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham<br />Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham<br />Shorter - Surrey<br />Dyer - Devon<br />Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland<br />Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Gloucestershire

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!

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Re: Children's Home/Residential School, Montcalmville, Quebec
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 15 February 09 17:38 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the 1911 Census for "Finlay Home" in Quebec, it seems to twin boys Cecil and Keith Tingman born 1901 and born in England. 

I see James H. Tinghman was born c1893 in Toronto.

Karen
Gandley (but known as Stanley in Canada)- Ireland to Birmingham<br />Ball, Kempson & Franklin - Birmingham<br />Shorter - Surrey<br />Dyer - Devon<br />Dawkins - Co. Cork, Ireland<br />Heffernan - Ireland
Huck - Alsace, France
Reinhart - Baden, Germany
Bowman & Ellis - England
Etheridge - Gloucestershire

Who all came to Canada in a little row boat, clap clap, clap your hands!!

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Re: Children's Home/Residential School, Montcalmville, Quebec
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 15 February 09 22:29 GMT (UK) »
The Keith and Cecil Tingman on the 1911 census appear to be brothers of James and William. I found the family listed as Eingman on the 1901 census with 7 children including twins Keith and Cecil. If you don't have it, here is a link to the image at Library and Archives Canada:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05l7/

In 1911, Honor is in the household of her daughter Fern and Fern's husband Joseph Blais in Quebec. None of Honor's other children are with them.

I did a google search and found a inquiry at Rootsweb like yours asking what Finlay Home was. The response given was it was an orphanage. Perhaps Honor wasn't able to look after the younger children after the death of her husband and gave or was forced to give them up. Have you found the other children on the 1911 census?

In case you don't have them, here are links to the Attestation Papers for:

James Havelock Tingman, born 4 Dec 1893 whose next of kin is listed as Lily Maud Tingman:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05l5/

William Tingman, born 29 Mar 1895 whose next of kin is listed as his mother, Mrs. Tingman who was living in Champlain, New York:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/05l6/

Jacquie
Canada: Patterson, Brown, Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Johnston(e), Gorsuch, Kitchin/Kitchen
United States: Patterson, Smith, Brown, Vance, Bower(s), Newberry, Best, Love, Gorsuch
England (Northumberland): Brown, Whitfield, Henderson
Scotland (Glasgow, Edinburgh, Fife, East Lothian): Johnston(e), Bell, Galloway, Campbell, Robertson, Williamson, Thomson, Crawford
Germans from Russia: Haidenger/Heidinger, Meyer, Meach, Lorenz


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Re: Children's Home/Residential School, Montcalmville, Quebec
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 15 February 09 23:11 GMT (UK) »
Thanks everyone

Have most of this info and have found William on the 1911.  Not sure whether I was unable to find the others or didn't go that fair.  Daughter's name was actually Verna.  All children born Canada.  Verna and family are in Champlain Down, Clinton NY in 1930 but no sign of Honor.  A border crossing for son William in June 1943 suggests she was in Worcester, Mass where I think son Cecil died but cant find a death for Honor, although might be under the name of Elizabeth.

Forever amazed at the amount of help people on this site are prepared to give.

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Denise
LAWRENCE - Gt Hormead, HUTCHIN - Albury, CARTER/CARTER CLAY - St Albans/Stanstead Abbotts, BURTON - Hoddesdon, WARD - Hunsdon, BEARD - Ware, LEE - Cripplegate/Glemsford

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Re: Children's Home/Residential School, Montcalmville, Quebec
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 18 February 09 00:21 GMT (UK) »
 Knox, Patricia (Tingman) OBIT in Montreal gazette
http://www2.canada.com/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=d19662de-c654-4075-a3bd-68211670be23

Only a few Tingman, a few still in the Eastern Provinces, a few in Que and some in Ontario...
If you want to drop a note... didn't seem to be any others on the censuses, so there's a good chance several if not all are yours....( they were transcribed correctly in 1911 on the AutoGen site but not in 1901
http://www.canada411.ca/search/si/1/tingman/-?src=c411

http://obit.genacadie.ca/view_obit_search.php?sort=id&obit_criterion=sadly
James (Jim) Tingman, age 70   born Montreal QC and living Moncton NB / Sept. 20 2001 (Times Transcript)   
parents: Cecil TINGMAN  & Mary RYAN ...
 
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Re: Children's Home/Residential School, Montcalmville, Quebec
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 18 February 09 00:45 GMT (UK) »
Could I have a link to the 1911 for the orphanage, or as I need it for the orphanages resource page...

http://www.archive.org/stream/battleofplains00harpuoft/battleofplains00harpuoft_djvu.txt
The Flndlay Asylum is situated on the Ste. Foye Road, between De Salaberry Street and Maple Avenue. The institution sprang from very humble circumstances. The first donation towards its organization was eight hundred dollars "the orphan's mite" as it was called donated by a certain Miss Finlay to the Anglican Bishop of Quebec. The money was expended by the Bishop in the purchase of a cottage on Sutherland Street, near Mount Pleas-
ant; and, in 1861, a further donation of two thousand dollars, given by another lady, induced the Anglicans of Quebec to assist the Bishop in putting up the present building. The place, as at present organized, is a home for male orphans and indigent old men. It enjoys a comfortable endowment received from the Ross Bequest, and is conducted under the auspices of the rector and church wardens of the English Cathedral.
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Re: Children's Home/Residential School, Montcalmville, Quebec
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 18 February 09 00:50 GMT (UK) »
William Francis born 1897 Toronto...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~births/Ti_Ty_Surnames.htm

well,you probably already saw  John Edward Tingman was the only Tingman in 1881 as well...only 15...born in 1866 . Such a young lad to be here on his own already!     http://www.rootschat.com/links/05lu/ 
 
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Re: Children's Home/Residential School, Montcalmville, Quebec
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 14 April 09 16:14 BST (UK) »
Did anyone ever find young Mable or Lillian Tingman in the 1911 census? I suppose the older ones may have been out on their own, but these were quite young ones ...J.J.

Link to Tingman query in U.S.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,313024.15.html
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,367360.0.html

Denis, you may be interested to know that a James Havelock Tingman signed up for service in the Royal Canadian Regiment in 1905 Quebec, so most likely related
http://regimentalrogue.com/rcr_great_war_soldiers/rcr_great_war_bermuda_roll_originals.html
Oh my gosh I see from Jacquie's reply that this was the son's name...Wouldn't he have only been twelve? Must have been his brother, then, I hope  :-\?

Denise, I see that the Canadian Virtual War Memorial has nothing on John Edward...you should submit his information.
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