Hardie, Stewart, Arklay Family 1800's

[jeffreyjoecarroll]

I am seeking information about the families of Peter Hardie (1847-1885), married Elizabeth Stewart ARKLAY in 1851. (They went to Australia on board 'Nairnshire' in 1878).

Peter was the son of Peter HARDIE (?-1898) and Catherine WHYTE (1827-1875). They married in Angus in 1849.

Elizabeth was the daughter of David ARKLAY (?-?) and Margaret STEWART (?-?). They married in Angus in 1848. David's parents were possibly David ARKLAY & Mary HUNTER.

I have collected this information from LDS & ScotlandsPeople but am hoping someone may be able to expand on the family background.

Any information appreciated.

Jeff Carroll
Sydney, Australia

[ev]

hi jeff   

welcome to rootschat

bit confused here 

peter hardie 1847 - 1885 was married 1851 ?

IGI has peter hardy married to catherine white 20th may 1849 airlie angus

also peter hardie married elisabeth arklay 1st august 1873 dundee angus

also david arkley married margaret stewart 10th december 1848 forfar angus

might need some proof here before going any further 

yours

ev

[jeffreyjoecarroll]

Thanks EV,

Apologies, there was a typo in my post. 1851 was meant to reflect the birth of Elizabeth Stewart Arklay. They did indeed marry in 1873, at Elizabeth's home. The certificate shows a Christen Hardie was a witness...possibly Peter Snr's sister??.

Based on information handed down through the family, all the details are correct for what is shown in LDS & ScotlandsPeople. The only conjecture I have included was the possibility of David ARKLAY & Mary HUNTER being the parents of David jnr. Information on hand suggests most of these families were involved in the weaving trade. Information available in the 1841 census backs this up.

Spellings for Hardie, Arklay & Whyte vary is all the documentation we currently hold.

Not sure what you mean by 'proof required before going further'?

Again thanks for your time on IGI. I would love to find some background information on any of the families.

Best regards,
Jeff

[dogtale]

Hi Jeff,  I was born Gwendoline Ellen Arklay and live in Goolwa SA.  My father was William Harley Arklay who had an uncle, David Arklay who lived in WA.  I believe he was married to Marjorie Arklay.  I have a relative in WA who has quite extensive information on the family history.  She may contact you with further information.  My brother's name is William Stewart Arklay and I see there is a Stewart in your family history.

Regards, Gwen.

[ev]

hi jeff 

1881
52 ure st liff & benvie forfarshire(angus)
david arklay 52 jute weaver born forfar forfarshire
margaret arklay 55 wife b. inchture perthshire
john arklay 21 son sawyer b. dundee forfarshire
stewart arklay 12 son grocers shopboy b. dundee forfarshire
jane abbot 7 g.daug. dundee forfarshire

scotlandspeople has -
margaret arklay(other surname stewart) death 1900 st andrew dundee angus
born c1826
david arklay death 1904 lochee(now part of dundee) angus born c1829

also wondering if peter hardie remarried after the death of catherine whyte
1881
charlestown liff & benvie forfarshire
peter hardie 51 ploughman b. ruthven forfarshire
margaret T hardie 44 wife b. arbroath forfarshire
helen hardie 10 daug. b. liff forfarshire(from 1st marriage ?)
elizabeth hardie 3 daug. b. auchterhouse perthshire
william hardie 2 son b. lundie perthshire
jessie hardie 1 daug. b. liff perthshire

also
peter hardie australian infantry died 22nd august 1915 son of peter hardie
& elizabeth stewart hardie
born mains angus(forfarshire) 1876 ?

ev

[jeffreyjoecarroll]

Dear EV,

Thank you for the information you posted. The 1881 Arklay info certainly fits with birth dates. It's the first time I've come across the name Abbot associated with the Arklays so I must investigate that. The scotlandspeople information is a perfect match and mirrors exactly what we have.

It's an interesting thought that Peter Hardie married after Catherine Whyte died. It's not out of the question by any means. Catherine would have been 44 in 1871 when Helen was born. Again, worth investigation.

You've also got it right with the younger Peter Hardie, b. 26 July 1876. He died at Gallipoli and his 'open' war record - a sad tale, can be viewed at National Archives or Australia site - http://www.naa.gov.au/

Thank you so much for your help. I shall repost any findings I come across in the future.

Jeff

[ev]

hi jeff 

had another look at that possible remarriage for peter hardie(re 1881 census)
scotlandspeople has a marriage for peter hardie and margaret thornton in
1876 lochee angus
now lochee , liff & benvie , lundie , and auchterhouse are located to the west
of dundee and are fairly close to one another
the IGI has helen pearson hardie born 28th of july 1870 dundee angus
parents peter hardie and catherine whyte(helen hardie on 1881 census ?)
IGI also has margaret thornton born 24th june 1838 baptised 1st july 1838
arbroath angus parents john thornton and agnes duncan

ev

[jeffreyjoecarroll]

More food for thought EV. It seems likely when all put together. I've previously seen the name Pearson associated with the Hardie family.....somewhere.

Something tells me this is going to be one of those scenarios where the families inter marry on a frequent basis. Thank you for spending the time to investigate this.

I'm hoping Gwen Arklay or a family member make contact again as they may already have put some of the puzzle together.

Best regards,
Jeff

[aranem]

Hi Jeff, My name is Helen and live in W.A.
 My grandfather was David Harley Arklay , born in 1883 in Dundee,--Scotland ..  he was the 2nd son of James Taylor Arklay and Marjory Harley.  He had an older brother James ?Kay  Arklay*  and younger sister Annie ?  Arklay[married --George Murray--with no living issue]

James Taylor Arklay had one brother Joseph. I have no further information re this gentleman other than I suspect he married Meg and they had one son Jim Arklay [batchelor]


 *James Kay married Polly Gieke[? spelling]and had 4 sons
 James Taylor
Henry Geike
William Harley
 Richard ?
 The names you have mentioned do not appear on any of my documents, so I am unable to help unravel the puzzle . .However I will follow the postings closely now.. regards Helen