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DOUGLAS family Farr region Early 1800s and before??
« on: Saturday 28 February 09 04:21 GMT (UK) »
Keenly searching for any information about my great-great-grandmother's family of Douglas. I know she was born about 1824 at Clibrig, Farr District in Sutherland daughter of a John Douglas shepherd and Nelly Douglas (original surname unknown). Any information and stories very welcomed. Possibly a distant cousin has photos of these early ancestors?? This would be wonderful but I know very scarce! Much appreciated, Rob.

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Re: DOUGLAS family Farr region Early 1800s and before??
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 28 February 09 04:39 GMT (UK) »
Sorry I forgot to say her name was Isabella DOUGLAS. Cheers, Rob

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Re: DOUGLAS family Farr region Early 1800s and before??
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 28 February 09 09:50 GMT (UK) »
Hi rbell

It looks like Nelly's maiden name was also Douglas(s) going by the OPR birth entries showing on IGI for siblings to Isabella - all in Farr:

1. THOMAS DUGLASS Birth: 25 FEB 1822/ Christening: 12 APR 1822
2. GEORGE DOUGLASS Birth: 18 FEB 1826/ Christening: 30 MAR 1826
3. OLIVER DOUGLASS Birth: 15 FEB 1828/ Christening: 24 FEB 1828
4. DOUGLASS Male Birth: 03 AUG 1836

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Re: DOUGLAS family Farr region Early 1800s and before??
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 01 March 09 06:36 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Monica.....I wonder whether you can check likely births of the parents? Assuming they were born locally of course! Thanks, Rob

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Re: DOUGLAS family Farr region Early 1800s and before??
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 01 March 09 11:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Rob

This is me just making some guesses from what I am seeing on the census transcripts - you would need to check the originals for accuracy ;)

This looks like Helen and Isabella in the 1841 census:

Helen Douglas 39, b. England
Isabella Douglas 17
William Douglas 11
James Douglas 9
Elizabeth Douglas 5
John Douglas 2

Address:  Corenapeon, Farr

And in 1851, likely entry for Helen:

Helen Douglass 47, shepherd's wife, b. England
William Douglass 20, b. Farr
James Douglass 18, b. Farr
Elisabeth Douglass 15, b. Farr
John Douglass 12, b. Farr
Ann McKay 50, visitor b. Farr
Jane Douglass 21, visitor, b. Halkirk Caithness
Walter Douglass 3, shepherd's son b. Farr
Margret Douglass 17, visitor, b. Kildonan, Sutherland 

Address: Conna Fern, Farr

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Re: DOUGLAS family Farr region Early 1800s and before??
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 01 March 09 11:52 GMT (UK) »
This looks like John and Helen's banns/marriage:

JOHN DOUGLAS and HELEN/NELLY DOUGLAS 27 APR 1821 Farr/ 27 APR 1821 Lairg, Sutherland

Helen still shows as married in 1851 so husband John is still alive then and probably working away from home. Hopefully they both made it past the start of official registration in 1855 to let you confirm their parents. This will help in particular in respect of Helen and her English birth.

In respect of John, I think this may be his birth and also some siblings. To parents Thomas Douglas and OLIVER YOUNG:

1. WILLIAM DOUGLESSBirth: 07 DEC 1798 Yetholm, Roxburgh
2. JOHN DOUGLASS Birth: 26 JUL 1800 Yetholm, Roxburgh
3. THOMAS DOUGLASS Birth: 04 OCT 1802 Yetholm, Roxburgh
4. JAMES DOUGLASS  Christening: 21 MAY 1805 Yetholm, Roxburgh

In 1851 in Cilbrig, where you have Isabella being born, shows this family:

James Douglas 45, shepherd, b. Huetina, Northumberland
Cathrine Douglas 37, b. Assynt, Sutherland
Elisa Douglas 12
Alexander Douglas 11
Oliver Douglas 10, daughter
Cathrine Douglas 9
Thomas Douglas 7
Jean Douglas 4
Oliver Douglas 80, mother, Formerly Shepherd Wife, b. Yetholm
Donald McKay 29, visitor
Adam Munro 25, visitor
Mary Sutherland 19, visitor
Isabella McKenzie 16, servant
John Sutherland 50, visitor
William Lucy 27 , visitor

Address: Clibrig, Farr

Monica


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Re: DOUGLAS family Farr region Early 1800s and before??
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 01 March 09 11:57 GMT (UK) »
 :) John and Helen show in 1861 I think which will mean that you should be able to find their death certs assuming they died in Scotland:

John Douglas 60, shepherd, b. Northumberland
Helen Douglas 58, b. Northumberland
Elizabeth Douglas 23 b. Farr
John Douglas 21, b. Farr
Jane Willson 50, servant b. Farr
Barbra McKay 60, visitor, Joint Servant Of A Lot Of Land, b. Farr

Address: Attanloughard Shepherd's House, Farr

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Re: DOUGLAS family Farr region Early 1800s and before??
« Reply #7 on: Monday 02 March 09 05:33 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Monica you have helped me enormously! Cheers, Rob

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Re: DOUGLAS family Farr region Early 1800s and before??
« Reply #8 on: Friday 16 July 10 17:21 BST (UK) »
 when you search Hugh Wallis: Farr Sutherland 1808 - 1854 baptisms .. there are at least 3 different Douglas families here.
 I live in Ontario Canada .. and my rellies are .. Farr Sutherland .. Anthony Douglas birth 25 Apr 1829 /  Jane born 13 Apr 1831 / Oliver born 14 Feb 1836 .. all children of William Douglas and Hellen (Nelly) Patterson. This William Douglas married Hellen Patterson at Tongue 17 Dec 1824 .. having children Thomas / Anthony / Jane / Oliver / James .. at which point, they came to Ontario Canada in about 1840.
 A history done for Lambton County Ontario .. states that William as born in the Lowlands of Scotland in 1799 (and became a shepherd).. and his wife Hellen Patterson in Northumberland England in 1803. Their youngest son .. James .. is said to have been born in Inverness in 1838.
 In 1851 .. they are found in the Fredricksburg County, Ontario census .. but I do not know if they were in the Scotland or Canadian census in 1841 .. maybe someone could try and find them in 1841?
William Stephenson - born 1814 at Doncaster West Yorkshire - married Mary Scott at Cottingham East Yorkshire (Hull) in 1838. Williams parents I believe were another Wm Stephenson and an Alice Carter - married Cantley Parish W Yorks (Doncaster) in 1811..... Other east riding names are Nicholls (Bridlington, Yorks and Wigan Lancs.) and the surname Withernwick.