Author Topic: Look up please - HELM Eliza SA COMPLETED  (Read 8424 times)

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Re: Look up please - HELM Eliza SA COMPLETED
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 03:51 BST (UK) »
DONOVAN James    1876        
Sequence 76/11     
Book 19   

Benan Arrived Pt  Adelaide 13 May 1876 from London.

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Re: Look up please - HELM Eliza SA COMPLETED
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 04:13 BST (UK) »
Thanks very much. Looks like I may need to get that Donovan certificate a bit down the track, just to make sure.

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« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 04:13 BST (UK) »
The following is the only John OWENS I can find on the available Assisted passenger online shipping records.

OWENS John    1877      77/13     Book 23          
OWENS Patrick 1877      77/13

British Enterprise     4 Apr 1877 Arrived    Pt Adelaide from London.

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Re: Look up please - HELM Eliza SA COMPLETED
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 15 September 09 06:59 BST (UK) »
Wonderful!

Also I found what I believe to be John's death thanks to Cando's Barcaldine burial tip.

A John Owens is buried there, died 1911. I believe it is correct as his sons James & Henry are buried there and also Henry's wife Alice.

No Eliza/Elizabeth though :(


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« Reply #31 on: Sunday 03 April 16 01:35 BST (UK) »
Update. I think the 1901 death for Eliza is definitely wrong. I bought the certificate.

Why I think it's wrong:
(1) It's in Rockhampton. Wrong for this family.
(2) The 'issue' is wrong. John Henry (23) Bourne (?) (19), William (16), Narty (?) (15), Augustus (6), Beatrice (5), Barty (?) (2)
(3) Although they entered through SA (we believe), the family even now remembers this ancestor is supposed to be Scottish. This Eliza's birth given as SA.
(4) No maiden given. On every other record, Eliza is Helm.

A clue for anyone that actually belongs to this Eliza. There is a cross next to Where and Age in the marriage box, although spouse is listed as John Owens. There's also one under Where Born, listed as Adelaide, South Australia, and one in the blank Parents field.

'Our' Eliza and John had Henry (VIC), Luke (VIC), Rosianna (VIC), Violet (Qld), James John (Qld), Augustus (Qld) and Eliza Rebecca (Qld). My interests lies in Violet, and I am certain of her parentage. Her birth record in Qld confirms the other children - Henry -9 , 'Rose Annie' - 4, William -2 (I didn't have William so must look) and One Male Dead (must be Luke) are the issue proceeding her. Mother 26 years. Eliza, formerly Helm. Born Edinburgh. father 31 years. John Owens. Born Hampshire, England.

That Augustus has me concerned though - although it is 2 years off the birth of the other one. I may need to revise him or get the certificate.

Any tips from here?

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« Reply #32 on: Sunday 03 April 16 07:18 BST (UK) »
That's a  bugger then.  Who  did  Violet marry and where  please?
regards Jenn
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TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
VAN REYK Sri Lanka
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Re: Look up please - HELM Eliza SA COMPLETED
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 03 April 16 13:53 BST (UK) »
That's a  bugger then.  Who  did  Violet marry and where  please?
regards Jenn

She married Bertrind Charles White in Qld, who had a previous NSW marriage to Caroline Brown (issue Beatrice).

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« Reply #34 on: Monday 04 April 16 03:56 BST (UK) »
Have you  purchased John Owens  death certificate is so  does it have  if  he was  married or a widower.?
Could Eliza remarried?

thanks Jenn
When you search for ancestors, you find great friends!
I live in Townsville researching
TOWNSEND,PINNEGAR, STRANGE, PULLEN, GRIFFIN from Wiltshire,,
SHOEBRIDGE, VINALL, BRINDLE, Kent
BAYLEY, Dorset,Yorkshire,
HAIR, Durham,
CUMMINS, BROWNLESS from Yorkshire,
EDSALL,  Cornwall,
MORGAN, HENNESSY, BAKER,  Ireland.
VAN REYK Sri Lanka
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.au

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Re: Look up please - HELM Eliza SA COMPLETED
« Reply #35 on: Monday 04 April 16 07:39 BST (UK) »
Have you  purchased John Owens  death certificate is so  does it have  if  he was  married or a widower.?
Could Eliza remarried?

thanks Jenn

No, have not purchased yet.