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Re: McPHEE family in Kilmallie
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 21 March 09 17:42 GMT (UK) »
Hello Monica,

 :o  I'm still having problems with my connection (as per my topic in the computer help board)

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Re: McPHEE family in Kilmallie
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 21 March 09 17:52 GMT (UK) »
Re your possible connection with the names SANDS, I did see that Catherine McPhee, second wife of Alexander Sands also had the middle name SANDS:

CATHARINE SANDS MC PHEE  Birth: 23 NOV 1853 Kentallen, Argyll

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Re: McPHEE family in Kilmallie
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 21 March 09 18:11 GMT (UK) »
Hello Monica,

Marriage on 21 Jul 1844  at Kilmallie
John McPHEE labourer, Mursherlich and Janet, daughter of Allan STEWART, Appin.

In 1861 they were at Murshiarlich Farm, Kilmallie
John McPhee  40 labourer  born Kilmallie.

John and Janet had 10 children.

Alexander  born 8 Jan 1855  Muirshearlich, Kilmallie, he is the sixth
child, she has 2 boys and 3 girls; witness John McPhee, father.

1861 census  Murshiarlich Farm, Kilmallie
Alexander  6  born Kilmallie.

The link appears to be Banavie  / Murshiarlich Farm, Kilmallie.

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Re: McPHEE family in Kilmallie
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 21 March 09 18:32 GMT (UK) »
Hello Monica,

You can ignore that middle name of SANDS. There is no SANDS in her line.  My GG grand parents are SANDS and the line is traced back to Torryburn in 1723. That is a privately submitted IGI entry simply showing that she married a SANDS by adding it as a middle name. Just a bad habit some people have.

Catherine was born in Duror in 1853 ??   proof?? Age at death gives 1849??
Oh, now I have a question, where was Catherine in 1861?

Census: 1861; Murshiarlich Farm, Kilmallie, Argyll, Scotland; John McPhee;
head of household; age 40; labourer; born at Kilmallie, Argyll; FHL film
#103796; E.D. 13 page 3
Janet McPhee; wife; age 36; born at Appin
Jane McPhee; daughter; age 13; born at Fort William
Ann McPhee; daughter; age 11; scholar; born at Glencoe
Allan McPhee; son; age 9; born at Glencoe
Alexander McPhee; son; age 6; born at Kilmallie
Janet McPhee; daughter; age 4; born at Kilmallie
Donald McPhee; son; age 1; born at Kilmallie

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Fred


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Re: McPHEE family in Kilmallie
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 21 March 09 18:44 GMT (UK) »
Ooops  :P I normally check whether IGI entries are submitted, sorry.

I was trying to see whether there was anything around for the potential parents to John McPhee in 1841. The only entry I could see was this one:

Alexr McPhee, 65, agr. lab b. Scotland
Mary McPhee 50, b. Scotland
John McPhee, 8
Marg. Cameron, 80

Address: Banavie Upper, Kilmallie

Not sure whether the John above is relative/son etc. given it's an 1841 entry. Not the John who married Janet Stewart.

The only problem with these name is that a marriage shows in 1823 on SP (06 FEB 1823 Kilmallie according to submitted IGI entry) for the marriage of an Alexander MacPhee and Mary Cameron. You have John McPhee born between 1818-21.

I'll have a look for Catherine in 1861.

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Re: McPHEE family in Kilmallie
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 21 March 09 19:12 GMT (UK) »
Hello Monica,

Thanks for looking further. That looks very interesting. His age in census gives 1821 but the census had 40 and 50 so they could be 'rounded' and his age at death gives 1818. A few years out and it's Banavie too.

Catherine may have been with her mother's mother Jane STEWART. Younger sister Jane was with her in 1851 and back with her parents in 1861.

Death 6 Apr 1905  Corpach, Kilmallie  Janet McPhee, 84
widow of John McPhee, crofter
parents Allan Stewart, school teacher (dec) and Jane Stewart (M.S. Colquhoun) (dec).

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Re: McPHEE family in Kilmallie
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 21 March 09 19:36 GMT (UK) »
Can't easily see Catherine as yet in 1861, closest two born c. 1846-7, too early for her. I'll keep looking.

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Re: McPHEE family in Kilmallie
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 21 March 09 19:46 GMT (UK) »
Just realised there is a question mark over Catherine's birth year (age at death etc.)

Have you got John McPhee and wife Janet on the 1851 census? You say daughter Jane was staying with g/mother Stewart.

Added: This might be John and Janet in 1851 with some mis-transcription on the index I am looking at:

John M Phee 29, agr lab., b Appin
Janet M Phee 27, b Appin
Agnes M Phee 11 Months, b Appin  - may the daughter Ann (variant of Agnes) who shows in later years

Address:42 xxxx, Carnock, Lismore and Appin

And no sign of Catherine in 1861 with Grandmother Jane Stewart. Jane Stewart is still at Kintallen in 1861:

Jane Stewart 64, agr lab., b.
Allan Stewart 34, son, shoemaker b. Appin
Elizabeth Stewart 7, granddaughter b. Greenock, Renfrewshire
John McLane 32, visitor
John Stewart 54, visitor

Address: Kintallen 11, Duror
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Re: McPHEE family in Kilmallie
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 22 March 09 02:53 GMT (UK) »
Hello Monica,

 :-[   I should have said Catherine's older sister Jane, born 1848 Fort William.

Thanks for looking for Catherine.  Yes I had that 1851 and yes Agnes becomes Ann in later ones, but the copy I have said 1 1/2 years not 11 mo.

Catherine is a real problem and I'm sorry but what I'll add now complicates it even more.

Her marriage to Alexander was her second. This is her first.
Marriage: 1877 to Walter Willoughby Douce; Bradford, York, age 24 spinster  Bradford
- father George McPhae, farmer

Note that's probably where the 1853 comes from. And note her father's name.

Her marriage to Alexander in 1912:
Catherine Douce (M.S. McPHEE), widow age 61 Glasgow; parents John McPhee, crofter (dec) and Janet McPhee (M.S. Stewart) (dec).

Her death in 1926: Catherine Sands,
married to 1st Walter Dow, tailor and 2nd Alexander Sands, slater; age 77
- parents Donald McPhee, farmer (dec) and Janet McPhee (M.S. Stewart) (dec).

So we have three different names for her father. I'd say it was John. From her 2nd marriage and her death we get 1851 and 1849.


Regards,

Fred