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Re: Surnames / occupations
« Reply #18 on: Friday 15 May 09 11:36 BST (UK) »
Hi
James Hartley babt1789 yorkshire,Joshua Hartley b1815 Bingley yorkshire,John Hartley b 1834 Bingley,they seemed to move around Bingley,Keighley,Bradford and Bury Lancashire.In the Hartley line the other surnames are Metcalfe(also used whitaker)Walker,Gregson,Stephenson and Walker.Hope this makes some sense.
                thanks John

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« Reply #19 on: Friday 15 May 09 11:39 BST (UK) »
also on the 1851 census the family are living in Bradford, lodging in there home is a Oti Smith a very gypsy name ( i cant find Oti on any other census).

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Re: Surnames / occupations
« Reply #20 on: Monday 18 May 09 21:29 BST (UK) »
Hi Johnru,Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you but I was away for the weekend.
I've had a quick look at my Hartley's, I've not given you exact dates here if you need more detailed info let me know...too much info to write down with my poor hungover head..... ;D
David Hartley
b; abt 1814 Yorkshire (info 1861 census All Saints, Byker, Newcastle)
Wife: Mary Forrest b: abt 1814 Newcastle. (info as above).
They lived in a tent in Keighley in the 1841 census.
Their names are from son Matthews death cert, 03/09/1922 Edinburgh.

Their children were:Elizabeth abt:1842John abt: 1844
Matthew abt: 1845 died 03/09/1922 Edinburgh
Margory abt: 1849
Richard abt: 1835
Caroline abt: 1837.
All born in Yorkshire.
Son Matthew married Elizabeth Wilson b abt: 1846 in Jarrow. she died 10/04/1888 Elgin Scotland.
They married on the 29/01/1866 South Fields, Durham (info Son's birth cert).
Matthew was a Basket Maker/Hawker and died in Edinburgh in 1922.

Their Children were:Mary 1869  Wigtonshire, married David Hartley (cousin)
Matthew 1870 York, married Christian Forrest
David 1873 Lanark, married Annie Forrest
Robert 1874 Berwickshire, married Harriet Brown
John 1877 Stirling, married Rebecca Young (my g/aunt).
Jacob 1879 Inverness, married Rebecca Oliver
Richard 1881 Edinburgh, married Helen Sharples

Matthew (1845) was married for a second time in 1895 in Aberdeen, to Jeanie McKenzie b abt 1874 Leith Scotland.
Their children were:
Margaret Isabell b: 1897 Leith
Jeanie or Jessie b: 1896 Leith
Hannah b: 1898 Leith.

If you would like to know more about wives etc let me know, I've not given death dates as a lot of them are within the last 100yrs.

Janey
Edinburgh: Parkinson, Young, Richardson, Melrose, Arnott
Lanarkshire: Richardson, Muir, Buchanan, McMurtrie
Dumfieshire: Richardson, Muir.
Travelling Folk: Young, Cunningham, Wilson, Hartley, Knowells, Clark, Sewall, Swales.
Bristol: Jones, Cleak, Greening.
Exeter: Jones, Gregory, Greenslade, Pannel.

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Re: Surnames / occupations
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 19 May 09 11:04 BST (UK) »
Hi there may be a conection  :)
James Hartley m Martha Stephenson grtx5grandparents
Joshua Hartley b abt 1815 Bingley grtgrtgrtgrtfather married Mary Gregson(b Keighley 1818) in 1834
John Hartley b 1834 Bingley? grtgrtgrtfather married Sarah Metcalfe/Whitaker 1854 Bradford.
Jessie Hartley my grtgrtgrandmother b Bury 1867.Jessies siblings were Gregson,Araminta(Arrominto?on birth certificate),Fred,Oswald,Stephen,James Henry and Mary.
John Hartley had quite a few siblings born Burley/Bingley/Keighley and Bradford, i cant find Joshua and Mary on the 1861 census.
The Hartleys were marine store dealers in Bury.I will keep searching, hope your hangover has cleared lol

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Re: Surnames / occupations
« Reply #22 on: Friday 01 January 10 00:19 GMT (UK) »
RE: surnames Stephenson is definatly a Roma name it is on my side of the family and it can be spelt Stevenson also, other name is my familiar are:

Evon

Price

Burtons,

Hearns,

Furies

Ryles

Lees

Holland

Rafferty

Mitchell
Looking for:

Price
Lee
Evon
Rafferty
Mitchell
Stevenson
Stereo/Sterig
Ryles
Burton
Hearn
Loveridge
Holland

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Re: Surnames / occupations
« Reply #23 on: Friday 01 January 10 17:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi Marona,

I've heard of a cross over in names between the Young's and the Hearn's, but can't make head nor tails of it, do you have any idea what it is about??

Yours Jane.
Edinburgh: Parkinson, Young, Richardson, Melrose, Arnott
Lanarkshire: Richardson, Muir, Buchanan, McMurtrie
Dumfieshire: Richardson, Muir.
Travelling Folk: Young, Cunningham, Wilson, Hartley, Knowells, Clark, Sewall, Swales.
Bristol: Jones, Cleak, Greening.
Exeter: Jones, Gregory, Greenslade, Pannel.

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Re: Surnames / occupations
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 02 January 10 03:18 GMT (UK) »
I Think The Daveys In My Line Must Have married Into Gypsies....

Either

Samuel Davey And Mary Baker (Mary Was Gypsy Maybe??)
Rueben Davey And Elizabeth Jarman (elizabeth was gypsy maybe??)



 Andrew; Davey, Baker, Jarman and Webb are all known, Gypsy names.

And, in the last post I made on this forum, I've just pointed out to someone else how people with Gypsy blood in them, regardless of their awareness of or concern for it, often display an astonishing ability to connect themselves to others of such blood ~ as in marry them.

 Could be a lot more to ye own make up than ye realise  ;)
 
GAITES (Alverstoke / Bath Pre 1850)
CURTIS (Portsmouth & 1800's Berkshire).
BURGE (Dorset, Somerset and Hampshire)
HUNTLEY (Dorset, Hampshire, Sussex, 'Surroundings')

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« Reply #25 on: Sunday 03 January 10 23:24 GMT (UK) »
Sorry Janneyj I am not aware of any Youngs, it.s very frustrating trying to find info on Roma families! ;D
Looking for:

Price
Lee
Evon
Rafferty
Mitchell
Stevenson
Stereo/Sterig
Ryles
Burton
Hearn
Loveridge
Holland

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« Reply #26 on: Monday 04 January 10 15:33 GMT (UK) »
Merona, Do you think  that the  Rom(a), Stevensons are the same as the Romnichal Stevonsons and stevens'?

Same for the Mitchells.   

Although DNA testing is starting to show that all the Romani groups are related, I am led to believe by my Wife's family who are Evon's, that many of the surnames were anglicised when the Rom got to the West.

I have stevens in my line going back at least to 1780.

I see you also have Raffertys, of whom my Grandmother was one.