Surnames / occupations

[jnu]

o right where did they come from? and were they travellers or were they gypsies?

It would seem that they all had more than one job they were cotton weavers and hawkers ect.

[JaneyJ]

Hi Johnru,

Hartley is definitely a Gypsy/Traveller surname, I have a whole bunch of them in my tree.
They came mostly from the north of England and Scotland.

Can you give me some more details and I'll have a look to see if they match any of my lot. 

Janey

[jnu]

Hi
James Hartley babt1789 yorkshire,Joshua Hartley b1815 Bingley yorkshire,John Hartley b 1834 Bingley,they seemed to move around Bingley,Keighley,Bradford and Bury Lancashire.In the Hartley line the other surnames are Metcalfe(also used whitaker)Walker,Gregson,Stephenson and Walker.Hope this makes some sense.
                thanks John

[jnu]

also on the 1851 census the family are living in Bradford, lodging in there home is a Oti Smith a very gypsy name ( i cant find Oti on any other census).

[JaneyJ]

Hi Johnru,Sorry it's taken so long to get back to you but I was away for the weekend.
I've had a quick look at my Hartley's, I've not given you exact dates here if you need more detailed info let me know...too much info to write down with my poor hungover head.....
David Hartley b; abt 1814 Yorkshire (info 1861 census All Saints, Byker, Newcastle)
Wife: Mary Forrest b: abt 1814 Newcastle. (info as above).
They lived in a tent in Keighley in the 1841 census.
Their names are from son Matthews death cert, 03/09/1922 Edinburgh.

Their children were:Elizabeth abt:1842John abt: 1844
Matthew abt: 1845 died 03/09/1922 Edinburgh
Margory abt: 1849
Richard abt: 1835
Caroline abt: 1837.
All born in Yorkshire.
Son Matthew married Elizabeth Wilson b abt: 1846 in Jarrow. she died 10/04/1888 Elgin Scotland.
They married on the 29/01/1866 South Fields, Durham (info Son's birth cert).
Matthew was a Basket Maker/Hawker and died in Edinburgh in 1922.

Their Children were:Mary 1869  Wigtonshire, married David Hartley (cousin)
Matthew 1870 York, married Christian Forrest
David 1873 Lanark, married Annie Forrest
Robert 1874 Berwickshire, married Harriet Brown
John 1877 Stirling, married Rebecca Young (my g/aunt).
Jacob 1879 Inverness, married Rebecca Oliver
Richard 1881 Edinburgh, married Helen Sharples

Matthew (1845) was married for a second time in 1895 in Aberdeen, to Jeanie McKenzie b abt 1874 Leith Scotland.
Their children were:
Margaret Isabell b: 1897 Leith
Jeanie or Jessie b: 1896 Leith
Hannah b: 1898 Leith.

If you would like to know more about wives etc let me know, I've not given death dates as a lot of them are within the last 100yrs.

Janey

[jnu]

Hi there may be a conection 
James Hartley m Martha Stephenson grtx5grandparents
Joshua Hartley b abt 1815 Bingley grtgrtgrtgrtfather married Mary Gregson(b Keighley 1818) in 1834
John Hartley b 1834 Bingley? grtgrtgrtfather married Sarah Metcalfe/Whitaker 1854 Bradford.
Jessie Hartley my grtgrtgrandmother b Bury 1867.Jessies siblings were Gregson,Araminta(Arrominto?on birth certificate),Fred,Oswald,Stephen,James Henry and Mary.
John Hartley had quite a few siblings born Burley/Bingley/Keighley and Bradford, i cant find Joshua and Mary on the 1861 census.
The Hartleys were marine store dealers in Bury.I will keep searching, hope your hangover has cleared lol

[cwtch]

RE: surnames Stephenson is definatly a Roma name it is on my side of the family and it can be spelt Stevenson also, other name is my familiar are:

Evon

Price

Burtons,

Hearns,

Furies

Ryles

Lees

Holland

Rafferty

Mitchell

[JaneyJ]

Hi Marona,

I've heard of a cross over in names between the Young's and the Hearn's, but can't make head nor tails of it, do you have any idea what it is about??

Yours Jane.

[Steve G]

I Think The daveys In My Line Must Have married Into Gypsies....

Either

Samuel Davey And Mary Baker (Mary Was Gypsy Maybe??)
Rueben Davey And Elizabeth Jarman (elizabeth was gypsy maybe??)
William R Davey And Maria Crickmore (Maria Was Gypsy maybe??)
Or Herbert James Davey And Mary Whiteman (Mary Was Gypsy maybe??)
Herbert And Mary Were My Great Great Grandparents...

Could Anyone Find iNFO Out About Mary Ann Whitemans Family Please x x
She Is From Hastings I Think, Not Sure Though, And She married Herbert James Davey

Davey, Baker, Jarman and Webb are all known, Gypsy names.

And, in the last post I made on this forum, I've just pointed out to someone else how people with Gypsy blood in them, regardless of their awareness of or concern for it, often display an astonishing ability to connect themselves to others of such blood ~ as in marry them.

 Could be a lot more to ye own make up than ye realise