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Harriett ARNOLD born Victoria 1869 died WA ?????
« on: Friday 17 April 09 07:21 BST (UK) »
Hello,

I am trying to find any records about Harriett Arnold born in Victoria in 1869 father WIlliam Arnold mother Eliza Morton. In about 1895 she and other mamebers of her extended family, mother, brother and amny cousins  travelled to Western Australia. I have located one of the families in the Serpentine region.

While I have been able to track the marriages and deaths of the extended family memebers that she travelled with, all in West Australia records, including cemetery records, I have been unable to find any trace of Harriett.

There is a marriage for a Harriett Arnold to a George Nicholls Hunter but thi is not her. I have been in correspondence with mebers of her famimly and we are both quite sure that this is a different Harriett Arnold who was born in West Australia.

I have been informed that she married a Robert Higgins and died in West Australia, but I can find no marriage or death for her related to Higgins. Harriett was listed as living on her mother's death certificate in 1925.

Any assitance in tracing Harriett would be appreciated.

regards

RObyn in Victoria
The following families and their Australian decendents:
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Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
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Re: Harriett ARNOLD born Victoria 1869 died WA ?????
« Reply #1 on: Friday 17 April 09 08:54 BST (UK) »


ARNOLD, Harriet Father William Mother Morton Elizabeth Cast 1872/22050   

There is no marriage reference in W.A. to 1949 for a Harriet Arnold or
Robert Higgins.

No marriege in Vic to 1942 and no death in Vic to 1985

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Re: Harriett ARNOLD born Victoria 1869 died WA ?????
« Reply #2 on: Friday 17 April 09 09:11 BST (UK) »
Thankyou for that information.

I have all the Victorian indexes at home and have searched minutely over the last 7 years.!!!!!!

 I have traced all the births deaths and marriages of her parents and siblings, her mother spent 18 years in WA before dying in Elsternwiwck Victoria in 1923.

Her brother John Robert Arnold died in Perth in 1928.

Like you no trace in WA or Victorian records. I wonder if she changed her name. One of her sisters changed her name from Elizabeth to Isabella!!! It took several conversations to convince her grandchildren that her birth certificate was for Elizabeth not Isabella.

People constantly change names, my niece Briony is now Alana!!!! So if harriett altered he name she will be impossible to trace.

regards

Robyn in Victoria
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
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Re: Harriett ARNOLD born Victoria 1869 died WA ?????
« Reply #3 on: Friday 17 April 09 10:25 BST (UK) »
Hi Robyn.

Ancestors! Hmmm, if only they knew the trouble they put us through
when they do such things as change names etc  :)  bless em!.

Good luck.

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Re: Harriett ARNOLD born Victoria 1869 died WA ?????
« Reply #4 on: Friday 17 April 09 10:39 BST (UK) »
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have traced all the births deaths and marriages of her parents and siblings, her mother spent 18 years in WA before dying in Elsternwiwck Victoria in 1923.
sounds  like you have  tried everything.

Do  you  have an actual  date of death or buriel  for Elizabeth Arnold nee Morton, Perhaps  her funeral notice may  give further clues,  Ie  Harriet???  of  ???.

I see that  at least  three  of  her children also died in Victoria.

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Re: Harriett ARNOLD born Victoria 1869 died WA ?????
« Reply #5 on: Friday 17 April 09 13:02 BST (UK) »
Cant find this Harriett Arnold you say was born in WA which was the one you said married George Hunter. Theres a death for a Harriett Hunter in 1926 in Wellington WA which is around Serptentine, could family be wrong as theres no harriett marrying a robert higgins?

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Re: Harriett ARNOLD born Victoria 1869 died WA ?????
« Reply #6 on: Friday 17 April 09 13:16 BST (UK) »
Hi Winbursh...like you I cannot find the Harriett ARNOLD birth reg in WA that Robyn's refers to. However didn't trawl for variations in spelling of names etc.

Robyn - Have you searched the electoral rolls for a Robert HIGGINS in WA to see who else is at the same address?  May give you a clue to her new given name.

Have you searched to see who is buried with Robert HIGGINS at
http://www.mcb.wa.gov.au/NameSearch/GenResearch.html

Have you searched for any births to a Robert HIGGINS in WA where parents are named. 

Perhaps Harriett's marriage to a Robert HIGGINS was a 2nd marriage.

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Re: Harriett ARNOLD born Victoria 1869 died WA ?????
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 18 April 09 00:10 BST (UK) »
Cando,

Thanks for those many suggestions .

Perhaps for all concerned I will add some more details.
I have been researching this family for 12 years. HARRIETT is the only child I have not been able to find a marriage for or a death.

I have traced descendnts of one branch who went to Canada whilst the others camea to Australia.

Harriett  was 8th child of William Arnold born in Ireland and Eliza Morton also born in Ireland who married in St Andrews Church Brighton in 1856. All children were born in Victoria in Brighton or the Castlemaine area near Bendigo.

I hold the death certificates for them and ALL their children except for Harriett and John Robert the youngest child who who both went to WA. I have found John Robert's marriage and death in WA records but have not ordereed them as they may not help to locate Harriett.

The Harriett Arnold  marrying George Nicholls Hunter in WA is not their child.

I cannot find a Robert Higgins marrying a Harriett  *******,

I have explored all different surname spellings including Arnel, ONel, etc.

Family lore says she eloped with a married man, but that story is put into doubt with the discovery that her mother and brother and many cousins also moved there at the same time.

Harriett's siblings were

Mary Jane married William Abbott (my great grandparents) died 1943 Sandringham
Sarah married John Carlson died 1946 Bonbeach Vic Hit by tram
William married Louisa Davis died 1920 Queensland.
Harriet (1) b1866 died 1868)
Joseph  married Matilda Lamb died  1942 South Melbourne
Elizabeth also known as Isabella married George Hunter died1970 Caulfield aged 99
Rebecca died 1951 Melbourne
John Robert died 1928 Perth

I have also traced and documented their children.

I have not checked electoral rolls or death notices.  Will do this.



Robyn


The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
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Gross: Tullau Wurtmemburg Germany

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Re: Harriett ARNOLD born Victoria 1869 died WA ?????
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 18 April 09 02:07 BST (UK) »
Hi again,

Have double crossed checked the Higgins burials.

Possibility was Robert Colquhorn Higgins and Elizabeth Harwood Higgins.

no marriage in WA.  2 children  Alexandra1900 and Thomas 1901 in records, but also Robert Harwood Higgins in cemetery, in marriages but not births. He ws born in Melbourne in 1893 and sister Flora 1895.

In the Vic records 1889 her place of birth is Cambridge. So I think we can eliminate this couple.   

The Harriett Janet (86 in 1993 = bc 1907) in with Robert Higgins also shows up in 1936 electoral roll but is way way to young to be HArriett Arnold b 1869.

regards

Robyn

regards

RObyn
The following families and their Australian decendents:
Abbott, Barnard, Clarke, Inward, Lanfear, Rutter,Spencer:Middlesex
Greenaway:Cornwall
Edney, Godwin/Goodwin, Gullett:Hampshire;
Gullett:Devon
Emms:39th Regiment of Foot 1810-1832
Gordon:Scotland
Arnold, Morton:Ireland
Davies:Wales
Olcorn:Cumberland
Osborne:Staffordshire
Harrington:Kent
&
Gross: Tullau Wurtmemburg Germany