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Fromelles missing - William Wass
« on: Wednesday 06 May 09 18:20 BST (UK) »
239 Sergeant William WASS (MM MID)
Born: Winsley, Derby, Derbyshire
Previously served with the Sherwood Forresters in Boer War, China, India, Malay, Egypt
NOK: Germain WASS (father)
Address: Morend Farm, Chellaston, Derbyshire 

1891  RG12/2721/80/1
civil parish, Elavaston;  hamlet, Ambaston;   Shardlow South Derbyshire

German Wass     41 ag lab b Windley (which is Belper registration)
Harriet Wass    41 b Wirksworth
Herbert Wass    14 b Windley (Shardlow reg)
William Wass    11 b Windley
Arthur Wass    8 b Windley
Margret Wass    6 b Ambaston
Ellen Wass    4 b Ambaston
Lizzie Wass    1 b Ambaston

1901  RG13/3204/183/1

German Wass     51 waggoner on farm
Harriett Wass    51
Arthur Wass    18 lab railway carriage works
Margaret Wass    16
Lizzie Wass    11
Louisa Wass    6

1911, two lots of censuses

Derby

Arthur Wass 28/1883
Lizzie 21/190
Lilly 18/1893
Amy 15/1896

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Shardlow

Germarn Wass 60/1851
Harriet 60/1851
Herbert 34/1877
William 30/1881
Margriet 26/1885
Louie 16/1895

So marriages etc would be later.





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Re: Fromelles missing - William Wass
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 07 May 09 07:17 BST (UK) »
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Re: Fromelles missing - William Wass
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 07 May 09 11:00 BST (UK) »
Hi Liverpool Annie,

Wouldn't it be great if similar stories could be written up for each of the other lads and be printed in the various local papers!  Wish I knew how to go about that, but I am sure someone at rootschat will know and will get that ball rolling too.


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Re: Fromelles missing - William Wass
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 07 May 09 11:05 BST (UK) »
Hi All,

To inspire us all to try to help, please visit this link http://www.anzacday.org.au/justsoldiers/justsoldiers.html as there is a six page pdf file there just on William Wass.

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Re: Fromelles missing - William Wass
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 07 May 09 13:24 BST (UK) »
From the passnger lists....


 Wm WASS 
Departed London on 26 July 1912 to Sydney at the age of 30 as a labourer. He travelled on the RANGATIRA owned by Shaw Savill & Albion Co. Ltd.  and was skippered by R D Lowden.


There are no other Wass names on the list so he must have travlled on his own.
Bezant (London/Suffolk), West (London/Essex), Walker (Yorkshire), Phillips (West Country - believed Bristol area), Tibbetts (Warwickshire), Armstrong (Co Fermanagh), Harvison (Co Wexford), Neeb (Germany), Becker (Germany), Jakobsson (Finland). Kanneworff (Germany and Denmark)

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Re: Fromelles missing - William Wass
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 07 May 09 13:34 BST (UK) »
Hi Spof,

That's fantastic.  Can you help figure out how any of the other lads got to Australia?  Their names are on this link, at page 1 of that thread.  If we cannot find descendants at least we can "humanise" their military records. 

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Re: Fromelles missing - William Wass
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 07 May 09 13:47 BST (UK) »
Hi JM

I've been a bit busy on another war veteran - Gilbert Harry and father Samuel on the Canada board - but am now starting to go through the list. I've started on the ones with their own threads with nothing glaringly obvious but now my lunch break is over and it's backto the grind  :(

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Bezant (London/Suffolk), West (London/Essex), Walker (Yorkshire), Phillips (West Country - believed Bristol area), Tibbetts (Warwickshire), Armstrong (Co Fermanagh), Harvison (Co Wexford), Neeb (Germany), Becker (Germany), Jakobsson (Finland). Kanneworff (Germany and Denmark)

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Re: Fromelles missing - William Wass
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 07 May 09 19:16 BST (UK) »
Possible marriages for Lily and Amy Wass:

Amy WASS & ? ALSOPP - Belper, Sept 1912, Vol 7b, P1415

Lily WASS & Harold WAYNE - Derby, Sept 1912, Vol 7b, p1167

Lily WASS & John H NIELD - Chesterfield, Sept 1915, Vol 7b, P1784

It would be great if someone could check the parish records to see if details match.

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Re: Fromelles missing - William Wass
« Reply #8 on: Friday 08 May 09 05:12 BST (UK) »
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William WASS

Regimental number 239 Place of birth Derbyshire, England School Ambaston Church School, England
Age on arrival in Australia 27 Religion Church of England Occupation Fitter Address Second Street, Pelaw Main, New South Wales Marital status Single Age at embarkation 31 Height 5' 5" Weight 134 lbs Next of kin Father, G. Wass, Anderston, near Derby, England
Previous military service Served in South African War (Sherwood Foresters).; 3 years in Hong Kong; 1 year China; 1.5 years Singapore; 4 years in Army Reserve.
Enlistment date 17 August 1914 Place of enlistment Randwick, New South Wales Rank on enlistment Signaller Corporal Unit name 2nd Battalion, Headquarters AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/19/1
Embarkation details Unit embarked from Sydney, New South Wales, on board TRANSPORT A23 Suffolk on 18 October 1914 Rank from Nominal Roll Sergeant Unit from Nominal Roll 54th Battalion Recommendations (Medals and Awards) Mention in Despatches

Awarded, and promulgated, 'London Gazette', Fourth Supplement No. 29664 (11 July 1916); 'Commonwealth Gazette' No. 176 (30 November 1916).

Other details from Roll of Honour Circular He also served in China and India with the Sherwood Foresters.

Fate Killed in Action 19-20 July 1916 Place of death or wounding France Age at death 35 Place of burial No known grave Commemoration details V.C. Corner Australian Cemetery Memorial, Fromelles, France Panel number, Roll of Honour,Australian War Memorial 160 Medals Military Medal

Source: 'Commonwealth Gazette' No. 62 Date: 19 April 1917
 
Other details War service: Egypt, Gallipoli, Western Front Embarked Alexandria to join the Mediterranean Expeditionary Force, Gallipoli, 5 April 1915.Promoted Sergeant to date from 8 April 1915.
Wounded in action, 8 August 1915 (gun shot wound, head); admitted to 3rd Field Ambulance, 9 August 1915; transferred to Mudros, 11 August 1915, and thence to St George's Hospital, Malta, 16 August 1915; to St Patrick's Hospital, Malta, 21 August 1915; to England, 18 September 1915, and admitted to King George Hospital, Stamford Street, London SE, 24 September 1915.Proceeded to join Mediterranean Expeditionary Force from Weymouth (date not stated); rejoined Bn, Tel el Kebir, 20 February 1916.Transferred to 54th Bn, 22 February 1916.Embarked Alexandria to join the British Expeditionary Force, 19 June 1916; disembarked Marseilles, France, 29 June 1916.Killed in action, 19-20 July 1916.

Note on file: 'austr. Sold. Wass, W.. 54. ... Nr. 4299. am 19.7.16. in Gegend Fromelles gefallen.'
Red Cross File No 2861108: 'Identity disc received from Germany and despatched to N/K. 11.5.17.'
The above name appeared on German death list dated 4.11.16.'
Medals: Military Medal, 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal
Sources NAA: B2455, WASS William
Red Cross file 2861108 
http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/showPerson?pid=314645
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