Author Topic: John Baumgartner 1861  (Read 1701 times)

Offline trish1120

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,269
  • Happy me
    • View Profile
Re: John Baumgartner 1861
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 11:39 GMT (UK) »
1891 Census
The Vicarage,
Nettlebed, Oxfordshire
Henry A Baumgaertner, 69, Head, Mar, Vicar of Nettlebed
Frances C Baumgaertner, 64, Wife, Mar
Amy N Baumgaertner, 36, Daug, Unm
Eleolch S Baumgaertner, 35, Daug, Unm (Violet)
Juliet F Baumgaertner, 34, Daug , Unm
Percy A Baumgaertner, 11, Grandson, born London
George S K Baumgaertner, 10, Grandson, born  Gaffua, Sri Lanka****
Florence A Baumgaertner, 9, Granddaughter, born Kapatha, Sri Lanka*****
(been indexed as Sri Lanka but image is Ceylon for pob)

Percy was Algernon Percy on Baptism;
Parents;
George Algernon Baumgartner
Florence Baumgartner
Father in Ceylon Civil Service

Birth Reg GRO Index;
BAUMGARTNER, -   Mothers mn    HARPER****
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in KENSINGTON  Volume 01A  Page 55

Last Census available Percys Father George, born c 1850 Durham, is a Civil service Ceylon*** Pensioner.

Interestingly there is this on Familysearch.Org;
F A Baumgarten
Immigration, 1886
Event Place   New York City, New York, United States
Male, Age 16 (1870), Occp Gentleman
Birthplace   Ceylon**
Ship Name "Dorset"
Place he was heading to was Wyoming

There are also these children born Ceylon;
1901 Census
Bedfordshire
Ethel M Baumgartner   Head   Female   40   Paddington, London
Bertram W V Baumgartner   Son   Male   18   Ceylon
Ethel M Baumgartner   Head   Female   40   Paddington, London
Bertram W V Baumgartner   Son   Male   18   Ceylon
Harrold V Baumgartner   Son   Male   17   Nettlebed, Oxfordshire
Eric S V Baumgartner   Son   Male   13   Ceylon
Una V Baumgartner   Daughter   Female   8   Bedford, Bedfordshire
Nellie Currington   Servant   Female   20   Royston, Cambridgeshire Baumgartner   Son   
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline trish1120

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,269
  • Happy me
    • View Profile
Re: John Baumgartner 1861
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 11:50 GMT (UK) »
After 1911 Ethel May Baumgaertner and some of her children change their name to Percy,
Death Reg; Julian M Vane-percy 1961
Marriage Reg; Una V Percy 1917
Probate; Ethel May Percy 1949
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

RootsChat is the busiest, largest free family history forum site in the country. It is completely free to use. Register now.
Also register instantly with Facebook or Twitter (and other social networks). Start your genealogy search now.


Offline trish1120

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,269
  • Happy me
    • View Profile
Re: John Baumgartner 1861
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 12:01 GMT (UK) »
Who was your Ancestor who married Katherine Rye or Catherine Rice or Ryan?

Welcome to Rootschat.

I am sure others can help you more than I can and hopefully Bob will anwser you soon :)
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

Offline josey

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 4,527
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.natio
    • View Profile
Re: John Baumgartner 1861
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 12:05 GMT (UK) »
Welcome from me too, Warren  :)

Great stuff as always, Trish.
Seeking: baptism Philip Murray 1813 nr Chatham Kent, death Ralph James Dunn b 1808 1861 - 1868 in Newington 1861
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Nova Scotia [Halifax, Pictou]: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

Offline trish1120

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,269
  • Happy me
    • View Profile
Re: John Baumgartner 1861
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 12:18 GMT (UK) »

http://kabristan.org.uk


From Indexes
BAUMGARTNER
(Holy Trinity Church Nuwara Eliya Ceylon Sri Lanka)
Marriage & Reginald John child of George Algernon Baumgartner & Florence 
BAWA
Source;
Nuwara Eliya Birth/Baptism Records Ceylon (Sri Lanka)

Have a good luck through the site;
Eg;
Members of St Johns Lodge (Freemason);
BAUMGARTNER G.S.K.

Burials;
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Caroline Margaret *********
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Galabade Aratchigé Janis Samuel Perera
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
George Edmund son of Hendrick Perera
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Hendrick Perera
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
John Wilfred Perera
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Joseph Perera
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Dona Salestina Perera
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Sarah Perera Hamena
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Seelanage …. John Perera
PERERA
(Burial records St Andrew’s Gampola Sri Lanka)
Sophia [Essenth] Perera

Too much for me at this time of night :)
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

Offline warren71

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 4
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John Baumgartner 1861
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 03 January 18 12:39 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Trish,

It is hard work trying to connect the dots.

My family has it that this particular Baumgartner in Ceylon changed his name to Perera and not Percy. We all carry that Perera name now with the understanding that it was a Baumgartner before. His brother continued to carry the Baumgartner name.

Family story is that Katherine Rye from Ireland probably a Roman Catholic arrived in Ceylon around 1850 and was said to be carrying with her a solid gold cross that is only found in a large church. That cross is now supposedly in Sydney with a family member. Story is that the Baumgartner we seek married this catholic girl in Ceylon. Name was changed due to a family dispute or dispute with church due to intermarriage between religions. We know him as Carlos Perera but he was a Baumgartner. This Carlos Perera may also be Simon Alexander Perera; if we have got the generation mixed up. In Ceylon/Sri Lanka, we are classified as Ceylon Burghers.

Also, is it possinle that some members of the family changed to Percy and and one of them changed to a Perera due to the dispute.

I am wondering if there was two Baumgartner Brothers born around 1825 who visited Ceylon via a British Ship. Further, we also think this Baumgartner may have a French connection.

regards

warren




Offline trish1120

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,269
  • Happy me
    • View Profile
Re: John Baumgartner 1861
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 04 January 18 07:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Warren,

Sorry I couldnt join that dots for you!

I am in Sydney though so where is that Cross :D
(just a joke !)

All the best,
Trish :)
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)

Offline warren71

  • RootsChat Extra
  • **
  • Posts: 4
  • Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
    • View Profile
Re: John Baumgartner 1861
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 04 January 18 08:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi Trish,

I was made to understand that the Baumgartner I seek was also one of the first European Editors of the Ceylon English Newspaper may be around 1850. Spoke french at his home in Ceylon and got married around 1850 in Ceylon. Had a child in 1852 and Changed his name to Perera.

Can we see if there is a Carlos Baumgartner or Karl Baumgartner born around 1825 who made it to Ceylon or India. He may have got to Ceylon via India and may have first met his wife in India. Wife was Katherine Rye or Catherine Rye or Rice or Ryan.

He may be of German background as well.

Thanks for all the help.

warren

Offline trish1120

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 21,269
  • Happy me
    • View Profile
Re: John Baumgartner 1861
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 04 January 18 12:07 GMT (UK) »
Hi Warren,
I'll see what I can find but if I dont get back to you for a while it is because I am going away for 10 days.

Maybe someone else can help in the meantime?

Trish :)
All Census Look Ups Are Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Cummins, Miskelly(IRELAND + NZ) ,Leggett (SFK + NFK ENGLAND + NZ),Purdy ( NBL ENGLAND + NZ ), Shaw YKS, LANCs + NZ), Holdsworth(LINCS +LANCS + NZ), Moloney, Dean, Fitzpatrick, ( County Down,IRE) Newby(NBL.ENG, Costello(IRE), Ivers, Murray(IRE),Reay(NBL.ENG) Reid (BERW.SCOTLAND)