Palgrave Frith c 1635

[bettyespana]

Thanks again amondg.

After working my way through the info given by Betty in her PM, based on the actual records available, and after going round in circles until I tied my brain up in knots, I decided to get rid of one of the Richards.

Would it be likely that a son but not husband would have been buried with Palgrave? Also, the record of her burial on FreeReg records "Burial date 14 Apr 1705, Burial person forename    Harwin Pagrave, Burial person surname GURDLESTON" (wife of Richard Gurdleston). So now I am more confused than ever, wondering why the date on her memorial would differ from the record.

I'm still not sure about what I've currently recorded, but am too tired to work on this any further at this point.
(FYI, Richard's timeline looks like this atm: https://www.geni.com/people/Richard/6000000049006695892#/tab/timeline.)

p.s. Will just add this about Richard's parents from Betty:
"Richard's parents were Thomas Girdlestone b.1604 Thornage & Elizabeth Pyle 1610
They married 1631
Children: Richard 1638-1710
Info LDS/G.R/Girdlestones"
Betty - what does the last line refer to?
I've now noted the different birthdate for Richard, but haven't added parents as yet. At least one of the IGI family trees I found on FamilySearch does show those parents, but I prefer to have something pointing to an original record if possible.

If you mean Info/LDS/GR/Girdlestones
This is where I have recorded on my notes where I got the info from LDS = Latter Day Saints
Genes Re-United(which is where I have my tree & have shared info with others) & Girdlestones is  from a Girdlestone who approached me as having a match with members in my tree.
Betty

Just been looking back in my notes & found the site below which I have also accessed many times.
http://www.salthousehistory.co.uk/samuel.html.
There are some interesting details of Girdlestones on there including one of Zurrishaddai 1750-1823 know as "The Squire" & also a lovely picture of his son Samuel Rainbow Girdlestone who was a lawyer in London.
There are also some of the Girdlestones in Kelling.
Betty

[lucymags]

Well, I managed to (somewhat painfully) find my way to the parish register - thank you! That does help to verify that Richard and Palgrave, but...

I still find myself confused about that memorial stone with the other dates for Palgrave and (possibly son - no further evidence as yet) Richard.

The daughter Palgrave married Francis Gallon in 1692 (no further information).

FreeReg shows another Richard Girdlestone baptised on Sept 9 1712 in Letheringsett, but his parents were Thomas (https://www.geni.com/people/Thomas/6000000049006134868?through=6000000049007042821) and Mary, so he must have been the grandchild.

I will have to follow this up again when I have more time. 

[bettyespana]

Well, I managed to (somewhat painfully) find my way to the parish register - thank you! That does help to verify that Richard and Palgrave, but...

I still find myself confused about that memorial stone with the other dates for Palgrave and (possibly son - no further evidence as yet) Richard.

The daughter Palgrave married Francis Gallon in 1692 (no further information).

FreeReg shows another Richard Girdlestone baptised on Sept 9 1712 in Letheringsett, but his parents were Thomas (https://www.geni.com/people/Thomas/6000000049006134868?through=6000000049007042821) and Mary, so he must have been the grandchild.

I will have to follow this up again when I have more time. 

I have been trying to go over some of the notes I kept & was looking for Richard Girdlestone 'the elder' with no joy.I just googled the exact words Richard Girdlestone the elder.
It brought me to a Family tree sub:It is the Beath Tate tree:
https://familytrees.genepro.com/IainTait/Beath-Tait.../timeline22.htm?unit=8
Have a look at that & see if it will give you the answers you are looking for.
I must admit it is sending me round in circles going back to the Girdlestones.
Betty

[amondg]

May I suggest you request a photograph of the memorial, perhaps more than one from several angles. Enhanced on a computer you may see something not obvious to the naked eye. It must be weathered and worn by now as its been there a minimum of 260 years.

[lucymags]

Betty - I missed your second last post when I last posted, but thanks for both. I am once again just too tired and pushed for time to be able to work it all out now.

I am intentionally staying away from the Zurishiddai line as he was not my direct ancestor and I can't afford to be sidetracked, but on my wanderings trying to find something else, happened upon these archive records, just FYI: http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D689153 and http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C9619975

Unfortunately I can't seem to be able to access that Beath-Tait tree. With my Firefox browser, after taking an eternity, it did eventually show me a page with a list of Girdlestones which looked promising, but then when I tried to navigate, it hung and finally crashed my whole session. I tried on Chrome and Edge, but they tell me "Access is Denied". A shame as it looked as if it may have portrayed some useful info.

Amondg - I started looking at the Norfolk Family History Society, read about NORS and found my way to this page: http://norfolkfhs.archiveps.co.uk/bin/aps_browse_sources.php?mode=list_sources&source_class=4987 - but I'm not sure who I should address a request for a photo to - can you advise, please?

A few more items of note I forgot to mention, found in the orginal Lethersett parish records:
Thomas Gridlestone, infant - buried 22 Dec 1714.
Ann Palgrave - buried 9 Jan 1718.
Richard Girdleston - buried 9 Nov 1724.
Thomas Girdlstone, Gent. buried 11 July 1731.
[James Harvin - buried 20 Feb 1711]

And then there was Nathaniel Palgrave, Rector of Letheringsett, buried 24(?) Dec 1705.
I have been in touch with a man who runs a website about Palgraves, and he has said
"The Rev Nathaniel Palgrave was Rector of Letheringsett throughout the last quarter of the 17th Century.
There are several instances of Palgrave being used as a first name. The Rev Nathaniel Palgrave was the son of Sir John Palgrave of North Barningham Hall so he was well connected." and also
"Is it possible that the Rev Nathaniel Palgrave (Sometimes Pagrave) was a godparent? Sometimes the baptismal name was derived from the godparent so there is not necessarily a family relationship. Pagrave/Palgrave was a useful name to have as that branch of the family included Sir John Palgrave who subsequently was one of Cromwell’s Colonels in the Civil War."
- which sounds quite plausible, were it not for the fact that our (elder) Palgrave/Pagrave G. died around the same time as the rector... but perhaps his father or mother was a godparent?

I'm not sure when I'll be able to come back to this, but will update you with any further findings. I will in the meantime probably just use the FamilySearch user genealogies (IGI) as refs to document Richard's parents (Thomas - Elizabeth Pyle) and come back to that another time too.

[amondg]

NFHS
I would contact minscriptions@nfhs.co.uk
The person who walked the graveyard may be willing to take photographs.

The other alternative is to put a request on the Norfolk rootschat board in case someone lives nearby and can accommodate.

[toad]

My husband is the 7th Great Grandson of Richard Girdlestone and Palgrave Frith.....have a good bit of info on the families.

[lucymags]

Oh, that's interesting! I looked at the writing on your attachment and thought, that could be Fish, not Frith or Firth... and FamilySearch indexes it as such on their transcription here:
"England Marriages, 1538–1973 ," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NN3G-KQT : 10 December 2014), Richard Gyrlestone and Palgrane Fish, 08 Apr 1656; citing Thornage, Norfolk, England, reference item 3 p27, index based upon data collected by the Genealogical Society of Utah, Salt Lake City; FHL microfilm 1,657,227.

(And incidentally I came across another Palgrane Fish, born 1697, possibly a relative? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJPD-J3B Married "Joseph Godderson" in 1725 - and now I'm wondering if he could be another Girdlestone? https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJPD-J3B)

I am 7th great granddaughter, so an equivalent relationship to your husband - PM me if you would like me to send you the path through the descendants.

Any further info as to her parents? Or perhaps a sibling called Richard who may have called his daughter Palgrave too?

[Edit: Hindolveston is about 7 miles from Hetheringsett by road these days.]

[toad]

I have just found this going on the premise Palgrave may have been a "Fish". Not exactly the year of birth but possibly close enough, though I have my doubts as the fathers name translates to Christopher and not yet come across any children in the later lines being called that.  https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N53D-L65.   Still like the name Frith