Cottage place house Newington 1861 question

[Nick29]

St Mary's Church Lambeth is next door to Lambeth Palace.

[heywood]

That's good Jen - I couldn't get anything clear enough.

I think if Paul reads the district  description it may help. For example, I recall it mentions a house in Cottage Place with a door on William Street so how much closer one could get is debatable.
Nick says he thinks that the census has a house (don't know if it is yours Paul) which has been added out of sequence.
I'm not sure, I think sometimes the area goes along one street - then off round a few others and returns to the original so that may have happened... who knows?
At least it does look as though that is the right area and that perhaps is it.
As you say - the district seems to have been very poor, beyond our understanding perhaps.
heywood

[Nick29]

Much of that area was razed to the ground in the London blitz.

[psearing]

Thanks to all of you

Thats what I like about this site everybody is so helpful and all the info and input helps.

Nick Where is the Area description?

I will admit I am Little confused not sure if Cottage Place was a "Place" with many dwellings or if it was indeed one dwelling I was trying to Gert a rough idea of where it was.

not being able to work out were/what the sub district of Trinity was but I now believe that there was a "Trinity chapel" so my guess is that Cottage is close to this location.

I keep looking at old maps perhaps I'm looking to hard or Need a holiday payed for by my local MP (opps sorry)

but many thanks for the help I'm getting I look forward to returning the help back if and when needed.

Have a good day.

Paul

[Nick29]

The area description is a page in the census which describes the area covered by that part of the census.  On Ancestry, it is shown beside each area, on a separate clickable link.  I'm not sure how you access it on other commercial genealogy sites.  If you don't have access to Ancestry, maybe someone might be persuaded to type it out for you, or send you the page via email.  I'm afraid I have to go out very shortly on a very long journey, so I can't volunteer.

Looking at the census returns, it looks like Cottage Place may have had tenement buildings in it (what we would call apartment blocks today, but much shabbier), because there's a lot of families in what was probably only a small street.  This was not a very affluent part of London in those days.

[JenB]

Paul

Take a look at this http://archivemaps.com/mapco/pigot/pigot081.htm which gives a list of Street Names.
There are several named 'Cottage Place', but one is said to be actually in Harper Street which heywood mentioned yesterday, and on the map I put up yesteday. One also at Lion Street, which was nearby.

I was trying to Gert a rough idea of where it was.

I suspect it is unlikely you will ever tie down the precise location, but I think we have come fairly close.

I agree with Nick that it is likely it may have had tenement buildings.

Jennifer

[psearing]

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Paul

[heywood]

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Paul

Hi Paul,
not sure if you now have the description or you have checked the map Jen put up for you. I didn't quote the whole description because I was thinking of copyright etc but as we list people's names etc I suppose there is no problem. I will paraphrase it but list essentials so that hopefully you can come as close as you can get.
This is the description of District 16 and I have linked  to census images - some streets continue over several image pages:

All that part of Trinity dist. from
north side of New Kent Road boundary ,
Providence Buildings,       Images 1-3
East side Harper Street,
Adam Street,        Image 3
East side Harper Street  image 7
continued including 3 houses at end of John Street to the corner of George Street
then cross over to left hand of the Butchers shop,
Harmers Buildings,    image 10
Providence Place, image 11
Ayliffe Street,    image 11   image 12
West side of Harper Street,   page 15
North side of William Street,   image 17
Union Place,   image 18
one house in Cottage Place with the door in William Street,  image 20
North side of Wiliam Street,
the West side of Harper Street continued to the Baker's Shop at the corner. image 22

It's rather nice doing it this way, because you get to see exactly how the census area was formed and can 'walk it' with the enumerator.

Hopefully, your ancestor was living on image 20 so to speak and that house would clearly be at a corner of Cottage Place and William Street.

I hope this helps and that you have now a much clearer idea of the area.

I wonder what you all think- it looks to me as though it was in the little triangular area bounded by Harper Street, William Street and Ayliffe Street.

best wishes
heywood

PS on a google map it looks to be in the are bounded by Harper Road; County Street and Falmouth Road and if you use the satellite images it is really good.

[JenB]

This is really great - hopefully Paul will be pleased.

I wonder what you all think- it looks to me as though it was in the little triangular area bounded by Harper Street, William Street and Ayliffe Street.

That looks good to me