Lovell Family

[CitizenSmith]

John Chilcott and his four daughters are attached to my Smith family tree. His daughter Union Chilcott was born about 1814 and – I assume – became the partner of Charles Lee in the mid-1830s or so. So, sorry to say, they can't be the parents of your Union Lee.

However, the use of the Union name – which is unusual in Gypsy families – could well indicate a connection.

Sharon

[alisonjogden]

thanks, useful to know Union Chilcott's dates. There are a few Unions around in the Lees, Lovells, Chilcotts etc. I imagine there is a connection somewhere.
alison

[ChrisWG]

Hi, my mother’s family were called Lovell & her father was a traveller. They lived in Roath Cardiif, I was told my grandad used to sharpen knives and fix umbrellas.
My grandfather married a woman ( my nan) names Lilian. They had 13 children. His name ( never met him) was something like ‘Dirad’ but I’m thinking this might have been a nickname. I tried looking up the marriage certificate and I think his name was Joshua.
One son was called Joshua who was killed in the army.
My mum would be 85 now if she was alive so I’m guessing my grandparents were born the 1900’s  as my mum was born in 1930’s

Sorry if none of this makes sense.

[CitizenSmith]

Hi Chris

Welcome to Rootschat.

There appears to be a family tree for your Joshua Lovell on Ancestry.co.uk where his wife is given as Lilian/Lily Maud Beavis, married 23 January 1911 in Cardiff. Does that match what you know about him already?

If it does, this Joshua appears to be the son of a Henry Lovell, according to the tree's owner. As he/she has an exact date for the marriage, perhaps they have purchased the marriage certificate and it gives Henry as Joshua's father.

This Henry Lovell's family tree features on page 9 of a book published by the Romany and Traveller Family History Society called 'The Family Tree of Daniel and Violetta Lovell' by Eric Trudgill. You can find out more about the book at this page of the Society's website: https://rtfhs.org.uk/publications/gypsy-families/

There are instances of the first name 'Durant' being used in the Lovell family. Perhaps that - or something similar - is the name you've heard for Joshua.

Sharon

[ChrisWG]

Hi Chris

Welcome to Rootschat.

There appears to be a family tree for your Joshua Lovell on Ancestry.co.uk where his wife is given as Lilian/Lily Maud Beavis, married 23 January 1911 in Cardiff. Does that match what you know about him already?

If it does, this Joshua appears to be the son of a Henry Lovell, according to the tree's owner. As he/she has an exact date for the marriage, perhaps they have purchased the marriage certificate and it gives Henry as Joshua's father.

This Henry Lovell's family tree features on page 9 of a book published by the Romany and Traveller Family History Society called 'The Family Tree of Daniel and Violetta Lovell' by Eric Trudgill. You can find out more about the book at this page of the Society's website: https://rtfhs.org.uk/publications/gypsy-families/

There are instances of the first name 'Durant' being used in the Lovell family. Perhaps that - or something similar - is the name you've heard for Joshua.

Sharon

Hi Sharon & thanks for reply.
Yes Lilian Beavis was my grandmother, I knew her until I was 12 as she died then. Apparently from what I was told, my nan married my grandad who was a traveller & her family disowned her for it.
I never knew my grandad but my mum spoke of him being a gentle, kind man. They were very poor but happy.

I will look at the links you provided now. Thanks again, I had no idea where to start.

[Tracey-anne]

Hi,
Does anyone have any further info on   Henry Whitby married to Limpetty Caroline Lovell, please?
I can't find anything further on him.

Below is the info I have...

Birth   Nov 29 1829
  Putney, Surrey, England
Residence   Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Marriage to: Limpetty Caroline Lovell (Whitby)
Aug 5 1850
  St. Paul, Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Residence   Putney, Surrey, England
1851
Death   Feb 28 1868
  Camberwell, Surrey, England
Burial   Feb 28 1868
  St Mary, Putney, England



Wife   
Limpetty Caroline Whitby (born Lovell) - John Lovell her father/mother Union Lee
1824 - 1915

Children...
   
Mignonette (Minnie) Simpson (born Whitby) - partner Henry Simpson
1851 - 1940
Elizabeth Ann Whitby
1857 - 1940
Edward Whitby
1862 - 1862
William Whitby
1853 - 1936
Henry Whitby
1859 - 1863
Susan Whitby
1864 - 1913

[Tracey-anne]

I'm not sure if correct but I've managed to trace back this far on Union Lee's (Lovell) side

Thomas Lee 1555 - 1644
Edward G Lee 1575 - 1634
Richard Bland Lee 1603 - 1652
Hugh Eliza Lee 1625 - 1709
Zacharia Lee 1678 - 1720
Elisha (Rightdoer) Lee 1710 - 1766
Elisha (Excellent) Lee 1740 - 1766
Manfield Lee 1760 - 1834
Duke Lee 1785 - 1840
Union Lee (Married Lovell) 1787 - 29th Jan 1880 who married John Lovell 10th July 1797 - 7th Jan' 1879

[Darren Clark1]

Hi,
Does anyone have any further info on   Henry Whitby married to Limpetty Caroline Lovell, please?
I can't find anything further on him.

Below is the info I have...

Birth   Nov 29 1829
  Putney, Surrey, England
Residence   Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Marriage to: Limpetty Caroline Lovell (Whitby)
Aug 5 1850
  St. Paul, Hammersmith, Middlesex, England
Residence   Putney, Surrey, England
1851
Death   Feb 28 1868
  Camberwell, Surrey, England
Burial   Feb 28 1868
  St Mary, Putney, England



Wife   
Limpetty Caroline Whitby (born Lovell) - John Lovell her father/mother Union Lee
1824 - 1915

Children...
   
Mignonette (Minnie) Simpson (born Whitby) - partner Henry Simpson
1851 - 1940
Elizabeth Ann Whitby
1857 - 1940
Edward Whitby
1862 - 1862
William Whitby
1853 - 1936
Henry Whitby
1859 - 1863
Susan Whitby
1864 - 1913

The nan in the photo is not Henry Whitby it’s his son William
Who is my 2x great grandfather
The actual photo of the 6 adults and young kid are
William Whitby top left
His son in law George Turner ( my great grandfather) I think George Whitby
Front row is Nellie Whitby
Then my Great gran Limoetty Turner nee Whitby and on the end is Great feast gean Elenor Whitby
Henry Whitby died about 35 years before the photo was taken

[kym881956]

Hi all 1st time posting I am looking for any info on Sapy Lovell I have her convict records in Australia she married Augustus Lee in 1820 then Richard Miles 1833 I have her as also marrying Louis/Lewis Boswell as well Augustus is my ancestor and I am trying to prove if in fact the Sophia (Sapy) that married Augustus Lee and not another Sophia
Thanks Kym