Help needed Joseph Samuel BOYCE

[Anderson]

Would appreciate any help on Joseph Samuel BOYCE born abt 1855 County Down. Thats all I have birth wise but we have Joseph leaving Ireland and married Fannie GREGSON in New Zealand on the 5 July 1877. They had 2 children in NZ and the 3rd child was born in NSW in 1881. So Joseph left Ireland sometime before 1877 which would make him about 22 years old.
Appreciate a good detective

[RosemaryJoan]

Did Joseph Samuel give his father's name when he married?  Usually the father's name and occupation are declared on the marriage certificate.  RosemaryJoan

[Anderson]

Couldn't find a marriage cert. in New Zealand Rosemary. The only information about the mar. came fom his death cert. as being mar. in NZ on this day. Didn't show any parents.
Anderson

[RosemaryJoan]

No sign of his marriage in Ireland.  Was Fannie Gregson from Ireland?  Her surname is not so common and we might be able to trace him through her people.  There a lots of Boyces living in the Parish of Tullylish, particularly in the Townland of Ballydugan.  Sometimes there is a clue in the naming of their children - often after the grandfathers.  Can you give us a few more clues??  RosemaryJoan

[Anderson]

Hi Rosemary Joan:
The information we have was done by a living family member. So ?. What we have on the GREGSON side is:
Thomas GREGSON (b: abt 1816 where?)father William GREGSON mother ?)
Thomas mar. 1st wife Mary Ann McGOWAN on the 30 Aug 1850 in the Par. Ch. Magheralin Nth Ireland & children:
John b: 12 May 1851 Co Down Par. Magheralin.
William b: 11 Apr 1852    as above.
Robert b: 18 Dec 1853          "
Robert b: 25 Jan 1855   (don't know)
Fannie Frances (Femiah) b: 1 Jan 1857 County Armagh. (my wife's g/g/mother)

Mary Ann may have died at this time as Thomas married Sarah TURTLE on the 16 Apr 1858 at Ch of Ireland, Ballinderry, Co Antrim, Nth Ireland & they had a further 5 children:
Sarah Anne  22 Mar 1859 Edemballcoggol, Par of Magheralin, Co Down
Lizzie 23 jan 1861  (place ?)
William 27 Sep 1862
Thomas Edward 9 Nov 1864 Moira, Edemballcoggol, Par of  Co Down
James 1869 Warringstown Co Down.
Regards Anderson

[aghadowey]

Mary Ann may have died at this time as Thomas married Sarah TURTLE on the 16 Apr 1858 at Ch of Ireland, Ballinderry, Co Antrim, Nth Ireland & they had a further 5 children:
Sarah Anne  22 Mar 1859 Edemballcoggol, Par of Magheralin, Co Down
Lizzie 23 jan 1861  (place ?)
William 27 Sep 1862
Thomas Edward 9 Nov 1864 Moira, Edemballcoggol, Par of  Co Down
James 1869 Warringstown Co Down.

Thomas Gregston, Moira, m. Sarah Turtle- two more children:
1. son born 3 Oct 1867
2.John Alfred born 6 May 1871
There's also a daughter with mother listed as Bessie Turtle (suspect this should be Sarah)
See: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/G/Gre.htm

[maryderry]

i think this is the bessie that aghadowey is looking at. I'm sure they must be related some how.

Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 7 Dec 1865
Groom Name william GREGSON
Bride Name bessie TURTLE
Church Ballinderry Church of Ireland
Parish Ballinderry
Civil District Lisburn
County Antrim

                                                                       regards Mary.

[aghadowey]

Thanks for posting that marriage Mary- I've amended my earlier post.

[RosemaryJoan]

There were a lot of Boyces living in Tullylish Parish, which is close to Moira, including a Samuel and a Joseph.  Could be family names

Boyce                Alexander            Ballydugan                              Tullylish     Down
Boyce                David                Ballydugan                              Tullylish     Down
Boyce                James                Ballydugan                              Tullylish     Down
Boyce                John                 Ballydugan                              Tullylish     Down
Boyce                John                 Ballynagarrick, Upper                   Tullylish     Down
Boyce                Joseph               Ballydugan                              Tullylish     Down
Boyce                Nathaniel            Ballydugan                              Tullylish     Down
Boyce                Robert               Ballydugan                              Tullylish     Down
Boyce                Samuel               Ballydugan                              Tullylish     Down
Boyce                Thomas               Ballydugan                              Tullylish     Down
Boyce                William              Ballydugan                              Tullylish     Down


It's just possible that Joseph and Fannie knew each other in Ireland.
Still thinking.  Rosemary Joan (nee Anderson)