Queens Arms, Winshill

[alfiepeg]

In case you didn't realise, Helen is Alfie, or rather Alfie is Helen!!  I just find it easier to use Alfie as that is what everyone calls me due to my username (which is named after my two dogs)

This is a photo of Mrs Cowley, do you recognise her Molly?

Best wishes

Alfie

[COMEONFRANK]

Hi Alfie

Iam not too sure about the photo but looking at the Ind Coope light above the door Iam thinking around 1960's or early 70's.

Hope this helps
 
Paul   

[molly90]

Hi Alfie,

I am a bit younger than a hundred and twenty so it must have been a son and daughter in law, or it could have been a descendent of theirs.  Thinking about it, I always knew them as Mr and Mrs Cowley and never knew their christian names.  It was not done in those days. I certainly did not recognize the photograph, kind of you to send it though.

The houses were demolished in about 1970, so the photograph would have been taken after then.  You will probably find them on the 1911 census,  although it is rather expensive.  The Mr Cowley I knew would probably have died in middle fifties.  He would certainly have been older than 34.

I did feel rather old when you mentioned your gr gr gr grandparents and i supposed i should have realized that it could not possibly have been them.

Best wishes
Molly

[molly90]

Alfie (Helen)
I don't know if you already have this, but On the 1901 census I have found A Ralph Cowley, living at 27, West Street, (this would have been right at the top of the street) Ralph is with Ann, wife, 62. 

Bertram, son, 26
Julie, daughter,21
Annie, 17

A little bit more?

Molly

[molly90]

Alfie,
Bertram Cowley would fit in age wise with the Mr Cowley I knew.  He would have been in his seventies when he died.

Hope this helps.

Molly

[molly90]

Madabout (Pat)

For You.  From Molly

[alfiepeg]

Ah Molly, this really helps,

Ralph and Ann were my gr gr grandfather's parents and I too have them living at West St, I just had not thought about looking at their other children, just Joseph.

I tracked down all Joseph and Sarah Jane's children, and none of them were living at the pub in 1911, I will now concentrate on Joseph's siblings' children.

You have been a great help, I am determined to track down which Cowley you knew. 

Many thanks

Alfie

[molly90]

Hi Alfie
I have found a marriage for Bertram Cowley in 1924 in Derby.  I am 99% sure this is him.  His wife's maiden name was Ellon Hickman.  I think I mentioned the name Hickman in one of my previous posts, a man of that name used to visit them quite often, my mother used to say he was a relative.  7b 1474 for both of them.

I am going to send for the marriage certificate Alfie, the parents names will be on that.  Then we will know for sure.  I need to know as much as you do I think.

Best wishes
Molly

[molly90]

Paul,
You don't happen to have a trade directory of pubs in  Winshill in your book, do you?
I am trying to find out when Bertram Cowley took over the tenancy of the Queen's Arms in Winshill.  1920ish.

Don't  worry if not.  I can go over to the library.

Molly