Alice Green Ballyfad 1850

[Mariam82]

Hi Deb - can u tell me how I can find this - always struggled to find the cavanaghs on the 1891 census ??  By 1901 alice cavanagh then a widow had moved to accrington.
Many thanks
Maria m

[Mariam82]

Hello - I have found them using Thomas Green - they are down as 'Caranagh' - many thanks.
Maria m

[heywood]

Hello,
I found them using Charles b 1886 with mother Alice- they are there as Karanagh though Mariam on Ancestry. 

best wishes
heywood

[Mariam82]

thanks very much. x maria

[Mariam82]

Hi Pip - thanks for all your information - i did not know of the marriage - sent you a p.m. yesterday - did you receive it ?
regards
Maria m

[Justin Rossney]

Hi
I have read the posts re Alice green with interest. My Grandmother Elizabeth  Rossney ne Green was born in Ballyfad in April 1882. she was one of 7 children of Patrick Green of Ballyfad and his wife Elizabeth Kinsella from the adjacent townland of Newtown. According to the 1911 census Patrick was born 1853 and his wife Elizabeth was born Dec 1842.
On the 25-9-1873    Patrick Green & Bessie Kinsella, were married in  Johnstown, Arklow, Rathdrum, Co. Wicklow. (Inch Civil Parish = Arklow RC Parish) Pat Green was described as  full age, Batchelor, Farmer    Ballyfad.   Father John Green   dead  farmer.
Elizabeth Kinsella,     full age Spinster  farmer's dau.  Newtown.   Father John Kinsella  alive  farmer.      Witnesses were Michael Green and Ellen Kinsella.

I suspect your Alice Green could be Pat's sister and Michael above probably his brother but I need facts to prove this.  Do you have any other information on any of Pat's siblings or his mother ?

If any reader has any information on the Greens or Elizabeth Kinsellas siblings I would love to hear from you.

I would be grateful for any information which might help my family research,
Thank you

[Mariam82]

Sorry for the delay in my reply.  I have only few details on alice green at present.   1911 census - alice green born Ballyfad 1850.  Marriage to Andreas (andrew) Kavanagh 26 aug 1866 (arklow parish marriage records)  his father james labourer - her father john farmer.    First child Margaret born 1867 Coolgreany Wexford (IGI).  Family moved to Widnes following year and andrew died in 1891.  Family then moved to Lancashire by 1901.  Alice is buried in accrington cemetery (unmarked).  Does this help ?
regards
Mariam

[Justin Rossney]

I have been doing a little more research on my grandmother's family but have not found much more on the older history.

I note from your information that Alice was born in Ballyfad 1850 and her father was John Green

My Great grandfather Pat Green was born in Ballyfad 1853 and his father was John.

1853 John Green was only  Green tennant  listed in Ballyfad, ref. Griffith's evaluation.

So unless there were two Johns in Ballyfad 1850 and one of them gone in 1853, which I think very very unlikely then,  I believe it is safe to assume that Alice and Pat were brother and sister. [which would make Alice my great grandaunt]
Would like to hear your comments and any further information that any one might have on this family.

[Jytefas]

Currently there are three separate discussions covering the Coolgreany/Ballyfad area and in some instances the same families are being mentioned. So hopefully this is helpful!!

“Fanning's of Cullenogue” and “Coolgreany Evictions”

I am also re-posting the following which is a list of farms on the “Brooke Estate” from which tenants were evicted in July 1887, under "Plan Of Campaign"

Askinch, Lr. - John Dunne
Gurteen Up, - Julia Byrne
Rathpierce, Lr - Bridget Lennehan, Thos. Kearnes
Croughan, Mid  - Thos. Darcey, Wm. Graham, Rich. Graham, Stephen Maher
Croghan, Up - Rich. Graham, Pat. Kinsella, Ed. Mulligan, Jane Sinnott, Philip Maher
Askinch, Lr.- P. McCarthy, J. Kennedy, Maria Clancy
Newtown, Up - M.Kinsella
Newtown, Lr - M.Kinsella   
Barrack Croghan - J. Kinsella, Pat Darcy, T. Kinsella, T. Kinsella  No 2, S. Maher, T. Darcy
Rathpierce, Lr - J. Butler
Gurteen Up, - John Doyle
Gurteen Lr, - Jas. M'Carthy
Fortchester Upper - Pat Grennell
Fortchester Lower - Pat Grennell, Terrence Toole
Newtown Lr. - Pat Kavanagh
Oulart - Thos Lennehan, Jas. Byrne
Monereagh - Jas Garvey
Knockgreany - Somon Moran, Michael Darcy, Patrick Greene, Patrick Greene
Monereagh - Chris Murray
Newtown Lr. - Laurence Kehoe
Coolgreany Demesne - John Doyle
Knockbaun - Bd O'Rafferty
Fortchester Lower - Jno M'Daniel
Coolgreany - Mce Kavanagh
Glenogue, Nth - Wm. Kennedy
Knockgreany - John Conway
Knockgreany - Bd. O'Rafferty
Croghan, Mid - Owen Kinsella
Rathpierce, Hill - Pat Fanning
Moneyribbon - Edw Bergin, Bridget Fitzwilliam, Pat Kehoe
Glenogue - Myles Donnelly, Stephen Mahon, Dan. M'Daniel, Michael Kehoe, M. Redmond, Pat Kehoe, Thomas Ford (Winnifred Kennedy, Ml. Kavanagh, Thos Kennedy, Michael Ryan, James Kenny
Ballyfad - Pat Darcy
Oulart - Pat Darcy, Pat Darcy, John Doyle
Ballyfad - John Doyle

Regards
John

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