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55th West Lancashire Division
« on: Thursday 18 June 09 14:41 BST (UK) »
I am currently researching the Royal Engineer units that formed part of this Division:
419 Field Company
422 Field Company
423 Field Company
55th Divisional Signal Company.

I have the War Diaries for these units (and some others) and would be happy to look things up for fellow "forumites".

If your relative served in the 55th Division, please contact me I MIGHT be able to fill in some missing info for you.

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Re: 55th West Lancashire Division
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 18 June 09 16:03 BST (UK) »


Hi Mark and welcome to RootsChat !!  :D

What is it that you're looking for ? anything in particular ?

Annie

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Re: 55th West Lancashire Division
« Reply #2 on: Friday 19 June 09 08:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Annie,

I had wondered if it was you!  I'm glad the book is still of use.

My research has taken me to St Helens and the men who served with the Royal Engineer units that served with the 55th West Lancashire Division in WW1.  I have the War Diaries for the four units and I am slowly working my way through them and the local papers; all interesting stuff!

I am coming to one or two deadends and may post on here for help.

Best regards

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Re: 55th West Lancashire Division
« Reply #3 on: Friday 19 June 09 21:24 BST (UK) »



Just as an aside ........ did you know ............... that it used to be - that the beer was free on Givenchy Day at the 55th Club Church Street, Preston ??

http://www.lep.co.uk/news/Lancashire-WW1-soldiers-remember-40with.1674943.jp

You should try Preston .... after St Helens of course !!

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Re: 55th West Lancashire Division
« Reply #4 on: Friday 19 June 09 22:17 BST (UK) »


I came across this young soldier ... and I wonder if he's from St Helens Lancashire ?? ( apparently theres another St Helens ... I didn't know that !  :-\ ) but thought I would post this just in case he's in your research !!

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As autumn passed, the battle of Ypres died down and the Royal Engineers were employed without respite on improving the trenches, repairing roads, improving billets, and manufacturing all kinds of trench stores, makeshift bombs, grenades, periscopes and mortars. Nearly every field company had a bomb factory.

From September onwards more field units arrived in theatre: 2nd, 3rd Field Squadrons, 2nd, 7th, 9th, 12th, 15th, 38th, 54th, 55th Field Companies.

During November 1914 elements of the Royal Monmouthshire Royal Engineers (1st, 4th Siege Companies, 3rd Railway Company) and Royal Anglesey Royal Engineers (1st, 2nd Siege Companies, 2nd Railway Company) began to arrive in theatre (both were Special Reserve units).

In December the first of the Territorial engineer field companies arrived in theatre: 1st Lowland, 1st East Anglian, 1st Cheshire, 1st (St Helens) West Lancashire, 1st and 2nd Home Counties, 1st London, 2nd Highland Field Companies

In Memory of
Serjeant JOHN WILSON

6245, 1st Siege Coy., Royal Anglesey, Royal Engineers
who died age 31
on 03 November 1915
Served as BOYLAN. He came from St Helens.

Remembered with honour
ST. VAAST POST MILITARY CEMETERY, RICHEBOURG-L'AVOUE
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Re: 55th West Lancashire Division
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 21 June 09 15:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Mark !

You probably have this young man but I had him for another project recently !  :D

Turtill, Hubert Sydney (‘Jum’) played for New Zealand
Internationals: 1 : 1905 A+
Hubert Turtill was born on 1 February 1880 in London. Later husband of Mabel Edith Turtill of St Helens, Lancashire.
Played as a Fullback for: Christchurch, Canterbury, South Island

Hardware merchant’s employee/licensee

Moved to New Zealand with his parents in 1884. His International was his sole match for the All Blacks. He joined the Rugby League in 1907; and toured England with the NZ team – the ‘All Golds’. Played for St Helens RLFC 1909-1914 after settling in England with his wife and family. His wife and son returned to New Zealand after the War. Alan Turtill, his son, was killed in action in North Africa on 29 November 1941 as a Captain in the NZ Army.

426516, Sergeant, 422nd Field Company, Royal Engineers. Some sources incorrectly have him in the East Lancashire Regiment.

He was killed in action on 9 April 1918, in France, when struck by shrapnel, and is buried in Brown’s Road Military Cemetery, Festubert, Pas de Calais, France [Grave IV. D. 6.].
             
In Memory of
Serjeant H S TURTILL

426516, 422nd Field Coy., Royal Engineers
who died age 38
on 09 April 1918
Husband of Mabel Edith Turtill, of Bridge St., St. Helens, Lancs. Native of Christchurch, New Zealand.

Remembered with honour
BROWN'S ROAD MILITARY CEMETERY, FESTUBERT

Hubert Sydney Turtill was a stalwart for the Club prior to the First World War. He was signed by the Club at the end of the New Zealand tour of 1907/08. Hubert was born on February 1st., 1880 in London but emigrated to New Zealand as a child. He was rather portly and attracted the nickname 'Jumbo' later shortened to 'Jum'. He signed for the Saints from the Canterbury club in New Zealand because of the friends he had made in the town during the tour. 'Jum' was regarded as one of the best full backs in the world.

He made his debut for the Club on the 2nd. of September 1909 against Hull KR. Outside rugby Jum was a popular pub landlord. He played his last match for the Club against Warrington on the 21st. of February 1914. Tragically, Hubert died in action during the First World War.

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Hubert was born in Mile End, London in 1880. When he was just four years old, his parents sailed to New Zealand for reasons unknown. His nickname, 'Jum', was bestowed on him while he was on the trip. As a child he was somewhat plump and Jum came from the common nickname for an elephant, Jumbo. But Turtill soon shed his baby fat and as a footballer had a fine, athletic build.

Turtill, who in 1909 returned to England, his country of birth, with his wife, Mabel Edith (nee Hancock) formerly of Christchurch and his young son Alan. There he joined the famous Lancashire club, St Helen's, for whom he played until the outbreak of World War I. His profession was listed as a Hardware Merchant's employee/licensee.
Being a Lancashire lad now, Turtill wasted no time in heading off to fight the Germans. It's clear that owing to him having two service numbers, the first being T6959 and the second being 426516, he was part of the early Territorial Force (TF) Field Company - the 422nd Coy who in November 1915 was merged into the 55th 2nd West Lancashire Division. Turtill was a Royal Engineer. The RE's were responsible for all manner of technical support such as establishing coordinates for ground fire, delivering chemical warfare, underground mining and transport infrastructure.
It's likely that Turtill fought in France as early as October 1915 before the formation of the 55th Division in November 1915 when his service number was changed to 426516. The 55th Division saw action at Hellencourt and Bretencourt, before the 1st battle of the Somme took place. Names like Guillemont, Ginchy, Ribemont, Flers-Courcelette and Morval became home for Turtill while he struggled to exist in the muddy trenches. Then in 1917 he travelled up to the Ypres salient where he'd remain for most of the first half the year and had a comparatively
quiet time, if being surrounded by enemy on three sides and under constant artillery fire could be described as quiet. After somehow surviving the battles of Pilkem Ridge and Menin Road Ridge, Turtill was relieved by the 39th Division and travelled south to an area near Cambrai where he would witness a massive tank attack by the Germans. It was now 30th November 1917. The British practically melted away in the onslaught and Turtill was removed for further training at Bomy, near Fruges.
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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 21 June 09 15:52 BST (UK) »

Turtill continued ....

In February 1918, Turtill's 55th Division relieved the 42nd (East Lancashire's) in the front line at Givenchy and Festubert. Here he faced numerous strong enemy raids in March. Early April was much quieter: it was the calm before storm - the great German spring offensive!
The Battle of Estaires and the defence of Givenchy began on 9th April. All we know about Turtill is that he was killed by shrapnel from a shell burst - probably instantly. He was 38 years old. The Defence of Givenchy was to become the single most famous action that the Division fought. "It was afterwards publicly stated by an officer of the German General Staff that
the stand made by the Division on April 9th and the days which followed marked the final ruination of the supreme German effort of 1918".
Hubert Turtill is buried at Brown's Road Cemetery, near Festubert, France. His wife and son soon moved back to New Zealand. His son, Alan, lost his life in WW2 in Libya, North Africa aged 32. He was a Captain with the 21st Battalion New Zealand Infantry. His father would have been no doubt very proud of him as would his son been of his father.

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The touring party included a number of players who had toured the United Kingdom with the All Blacks in 1905-06. Smith was one of them and, while on tour, he had seen a game known as Northern Union being played (although with 15 players a side at the time). There were no lineouts but there were still rucks and mauls. By 1907, kicking out on the full was penalised by what was called 'ball back', playing numbers had been reduced to 13 and the play-the-ball was introduced to restart play after a tackle. This was the game that would become known as rugby league.

* Another famous name in the team was Lance Todd, the man whose name is immortalised by the Lance Todd Trophy awarded to the man of the match in the Challenge Cup final.

* The tour started in Australia when the All Golds played under rugby union rules and won three matches against New South Wales. It was in Sydney that Australian H H (Dally) Messenger was invited to join the tour. He was regarded as the outstanding footballer in Sydney at the time.

* The voyage to the United Kingdom stopped in Ceylon where the All Golds trounced a rugby union side and, in England, they lost a one-off test against Wales (New Zealand's first-ever test) and won a three-match series 2-1 against representatives of the Northern Union. After losing to the Northern Union 6-14 in the first test, the All Golds won the last two 18-6 and 8-5. On the way home they beat Australia 2-1 in the first official trans-Tasman series.

* The England leg of the tour comprised 35 matches in almost five months. The All Golds won 19 games, drew two and lost 14. The schedule was horrendous and the team was dogged by injury and illness. Hubert Turtill appeared in 33 of the 35 matches in the United Kingdom.

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 23 June 09 16:09 BST (UK) »


I'm dying to know if you already had Turtill !!!!!!!!!!!!!  ::)
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« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 24 June 09 08:24 BST (UK) »
Hello Annie,

I had Turtill as a casualty, but not in the detail you have provided; thank you.

At the start of WW1, 422 Field Company was known as 2/1st West Lancashire Field Company, Royal Engineers, part of the 55th West Lancashire Division.  The unit designation changed to 422 Field Company in February 1917.

The 2/1st Field Company left Larkhill near Salisbury for France at 7.30 am on the 14th January 1916.  They sailed on the SS Invector at 5.00pm that night and landed at Le Havre at 7.00 am the next day.

Hubert S Turtill originally enlisted prior to 12.9.1914 being allocated the number 6959, he received  the number 426516 when the army was re numbered in 1917. For his services in the war, he was awarded the British War Medal and Victory Medal.  His widow would also have received the memorial plaque and scroll.

He is not mentioned by name in the War Diary.

I hope this is of interest and many thanks for your post.

Mark
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