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Nightingale Hall - Edmonton area. Is there a map out there please
« on: Saturday 01 August 09 00:10 BST (UK) »
Does anyone know where I can find an old map which would show Nightingale Hall which I gather was in the Tottenham/Edmonton area.

My BIL has rellies who owned the same in between about 1840 and 1892. Thomas Pearson and his wife Bella Goss Pearson nee Brooman lived there until Thomas died in 1862 and then Bella remarried to a John Kidd and became Bella Pearson- Kidd. My BIL has come across some old deeds dated 1892 which seem to relate to the division of a Wood Green Farm on Mayes Road next to Wood Green Common. As this is not far from a Nightingale Road on the map I was wondering if the farm was part of the larger Nightingale Hall and obviously a map showing this area between the 1840's and 1890's would be of help

I have looked at the maps on the useful resources links but cant see any which show either the farm or the Hall

If anyone can help I would be most grateful

Thank you
Jackie :D
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Re: Nightingale Hall - Edmonton area. Is there a map out there please
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 01 August 09 00:47 BST (UK) »
Thanks Gortonboy for the map. That has a Nightingale Hall farm on it which is interesting but  I am not too sure whether that is it or not. Maybe it is more Woodgreen than Edmonton I am looking for ??? The references seem to suggest Edmonton, but Mayes Road seems to be near Ally Pally in Woodgreen

Thank you I will have to get back on to BIL and see if there are any other clues. ::)

Many thanks
Jackie
Devon: Hortop, Phillips, Palmer, (Lamerton area)
Derbyshire: Hancock, Widdowson (Sheffield area)
Suffolk:Ratcliff ,Howlett, (Lowestoft area)
Kent:Ratcliff (Ramsgate area)
Norfolk: Stout, Fiske


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Re: Nightingale Hall - Edmonton area. Is there a map out there please
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 August 09 00:59 BST (UK) »
 THIS JUST MENTIONS THAT THERE WAS A FARM CALLED NIGHTINGALE HALL FARM------Merryhills brook in the north and Hounsden gutter at the south of Edmonton's portion of Enfield Chase both ran eastward across Southgate and Winchmore Hill to join Salmon's brook in Enfield. In the 16th century a stream, probably Bridgewater, which was described in 1322 as south of the Hyde, (fn. 29) flowed south-eastward from a point near Fords Green to Fore Street, where it turned northward for a short distance before striking east to join Salmon's brook near the later Brettenham Road. (fn. 30) By 1801 most of it apparently had disappeared in the lakes and streams of Pymmes Park (fn. 31) and by 1895 it terminated at Morees pond west of Fore Street. (fn. 32) In the 16th century a stream, possibly the medieval Hakebrook (fn. 33) and called in 1605 Hobb Hale (fn. 34) and in 1826 Bury Street stream, (fn. 35) formed the boundary with Enfield from Bush Hill to a point almost due north of Bury Farm. Thence it ran southward to cross Bury Street, form the mill stream of Sadlers mill, and flow eastward close to the later Nightingale Hall farm, whence it followed the road south to John a Marsh Green before turning east again towards Edmonton marsh. (fn. 36) In the 19th century it became a tributary of Salmon's brook after the changes to the latter's southern section. (fn. 37) Unidentified watercourses include Melflet in the 13th century, (fn. 38) Church brook in the 14th century, (fn. 39) and Rowes brook in 1616. (fn. 40)

From: 'Edmonton: Introduction', A History of the County of Middlesex: Volume 5: Hendon, Kingsbury, Great Stanmore, Little Stanmore, Edmonton Enfield, Monken Hadley, South Mimms, Tottenham (1976), pp. 130-133. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=26931  Date accessed: 27 July 2009
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Re: Nightingale Hall - Edmonton area. Is there a map out there please
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 01 August 09 01:03 BST (UK) »
Small settlements away from High Road attracted little attention in the 18th century. Tottenham Hale, which possessed an inn and which was marked separately in 1754, remained the one hamlet of any size; although comparatively close, in 1818 it had yet to be connected with High Road by building along High Cross Lane. East of the Hale there stood only the mill on the Lea and, far to the north, a few buildings in Marsh and Willoughby lanes. In the centre of the parish West Green still comprised no more than half a dozen houses in 1800. North of it stretched the largest park in Tottenham, around Mount Pleasant, which had been built on the site of an early-18th-century residence, Downhills House. (fn. 71) Wood Green was the only settlement named in the west in 1754, and was still very small in 1818. Its houses were widely scattered, some facing the green itself, known as Wood Green common, others to the north where Green Lanes ascended Jolly Butchers (later Clay Bush) Hill, and a few to the east along Lordship Lane. On the slopes farther west, the woods had dwindled to a few groves among ploughed fields by 1800. There were no houses save Nightingale Hall, on the south side of Bounds Green Lane by 1754, two buildings in the extreme north-west, facing the long strip which was Bounds Green itself, and Tottenham Wood Farm near the top of Muswell Hill.

From: 'Tottenham: Growth before 1850', A History of the County of Middlesex: Volume 5: Hendon, Kingsbury, Great Stanmore, Little Stanmore, Edmonton Enfield, Monken Hadley, South Mimms, Tottenham (1976), pp. 313-317. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=26985  Date accessed: 23 July 2009.
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Re: Nightingale Hall - Edmonton area. Is there a map out there please
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 01 August 09 01:12 BST (UK) »
Aah great, that is definitely Nightingale Hall, near Bounds Green Lane that I am after. Looking at Multimap it could be somewhere near the Train depot. I wonder if that was built on the grounds of Nightingale Hall. Mayes Road where Woodgreen Farm was appears just south of there almost next to Ally Pally.

Thank you very much for that Mike ;D ;D
Best wishes
Jackie
Devon: Hortop, Phillips, Palmer, (Lamerton area)
Derbyshire: Hancock, Widdowson (Sheffield area)
Suffolk:Ratcliff ,Howlett, (Lowestoft area)
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Re: Nightingale Hall - Edmonton area. Is there a map out there please
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 01 August 09 01:13 BST (UK) »
ANOTHER REFERENCE FOR LOCATION PURPOSES

In contrast with the rows of villas leading off the north side of Bounds Green Lane, building on the south side was confined to a group opposite the church and to Nightingale Hall opposite Commerce Road.  Nightingale Hall, with grounds and farm-land totalling 72 a. was occupied by Thomas Pearson in 1843; it passed in 1864 from Pearson to his widow, afterwards Mrs Pearson Kidd, who lived there for another 30 years.  Farther west the only buildings were at Bounds Green, which possessed some cottages, a tavern, and a brick-works, and at Tottenham Wood Farm, which was approached by a lane from Muswell Hill in Hornsey.  The first Alexandra Palace was not built until 1873, although a pleasure ground along the Hornsey boundary was opened ten years later.
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Re: Nightingale Hall - Edmonton area. Is there a map out there please
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 01 August 09 01:18 BST (UK) »
Yup that is them  ;D ;D Thank you very much. Now all I need is a map ;) ;)

Thank you very much again
Jackie
Devon: Hortop, Phillips, Palmer, (Lamerton area)
Derbyshire: Hancock, Widdowson (Sheffield area)
Suffolk:Ratcliff ,Howlett, (Lowestoft area)
Kent:Ratcliff (Ramsgate area)
Norfolk: Stout, Fiske