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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 10:42 BST (UK) »
The thing that sticks at the back of my mind Shaun were those newspaper reports you posted with John B LLoyd as manager at the General Cabriolet Conveyance Company in 1836. Would a 17yr old hold this position? The issue is, we don't have anything as yet to help with identifying John except the two birth entries with a 12 yr gap  :-\ But then from that 1838 newspaper entry, we have John having to apply to his Guardian for release of funds - not sure of the terminology of those times. Is the term guardian like a trustee of an estate or does this imply a custodian of a younger person's interests?

The only potential entries we have found so far for John is potentially that 1851 census entry (right birth place, c. 1807 birth, likely occupation of commercial traveller - except he shows as unmarried  ???). Also, the 1871 census entry that Jorose found at the Poorhouse in Battersea. We need something to be able to identify him properly.

Maybe one way forward that is verifyable is to follow up on a poor relief application/admission for the John Lloyd who shows as an inmate at the Wandsworth and Clapham Union Workhouse in 1871. I know that records for admissions for here are only available at the London Metropolitan Archives. If they can be found, it would help to either confirm or eliminate the John B Lloyd b. 1807 to Benjamin and Elizabeth Collins.

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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 10:47 BST (UK) »

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Would a 17yr old hold this position?

Come to that we don't know how old he was when he was baptised ...or whether the transcription is accurate
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 12:52 BST (UK) »
Just a thought - might the JBL baptised Worcester 1807 and the JBL baptised Liverpool 1819 be one and the same? It does look that way. Perhaps Benjamin and Elizabeth organised a second baptism for the 12 year old JBL in order to secure the patronage of the up and coming barrister Joshua Evans?
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 13:37 BST (UK) »
Guildhall,  17 june 1848
Yesterday Mr Alderman Johnson begged to acknowledge through the newspapers,
the receipt of one soveriegn from 'A Lady', for the relief of John Ballard Lloyd,
son of a magistrate, who with his wife and 2 children , has been reduced to complete destitution, and a report of which appeared in our impression about a fortnight back

Guildhall 21 june 1848
Alderman Johnson begged to acknowledge a contribution of 51 (?) from Mr Penn Allen for the relief of John Ballard Lloyd,
whose distressing case was mentioned in our paper about 3 weeks ago.
He is now about to emigrate.




so he was the son of a magistrate ?
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 14:08 BST (UK) »
31 dec 1855 -Report in the Liverpool Mercury about the 'oranges ' incident, says that John was an accountant.
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 14:11 BST (UK) »
That sounds promising  :D

John seems to have had a number of occupations, not surprising given his circumstances. I don't know how many BMD certs you have looked at for the family. Have you seen the one for wife Lavinia's death - just curious what his children showed perhaps on marriage certs for their father.

Shaun, anything on your resources for this Benjamin Lloyd, magistrate in the Liverpool area c. 1819?

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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 15:07 BST (UK) »
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anything on your resources for this Benjamin Lloyd, magistrate in the Liverpool area c. 1819

Nothing in the 1814 or 1825 Gore's Directories as far as I can see.
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 15:10 BST (UK) »
Nothing for Benjamin in 1821 Gore's either, though there is an Elizabeth Lloyd, a teacher, at 50 Grafton Street
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 15:26 BST (UK) »
Thanks for checking Shaun  :) Frustrating at the moment. Lots of small pieces of the puzzle now...how to put it together though  :-\
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