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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #27 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 16:24 BST (UK) »
That sounds promising  :D

John seems to have had a number of occupations, not surprising given his circumstances. I don't know how many BMD certs you have looked at for the family. Have you seen the one for wife Lavinia's death - just curious what his children showed perhaps on marriage certs for their father

Monica

all i have is Grenvilles birth, lack of funds at the momment so won't be allowed anymore yet  :'(

just to go off at a slight tangent this is the history of one of John's sons Walter Henry Lloyd and his condoms...
http://www.history.inportsmouth.co.uk/events/lloyds.htm
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #28 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 17:09 BST (UK) »
Fascinating read  :) Is this Lloyds the Chemist as we have today although I see in the article that Lloyds ceased trading in 2007...or did it get sold on?

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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #30 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 21:34 BST (UK) »
Fascinating read  :) Is this Lloyds the Chemist as we have today although I see in the article that Lloyds ceased trading in 2007...or did it get sold on?

Monica

as far as I can tell they are not connected,
which is a shame, I could have asked for a family discount card ! ;D
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #31 on: Thursday 06 August 09 00:06 BST (UK) »
f-o-a-b: Are you in contact with Pete Smee?

http://www.thesmeefamily.com/search-www.php?mylastname=LLOYD&lnqualify=equals&mybool=AND&tree=Databaseinfo


http://findour.name/All/findex18.htm


I did join his site thing but have never messaged him, might be worth a try, I wonder if he has any certificates for the family....
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #32 on: Thursday 06 August 09 00:16 BST (UK) »
one last post before bed !!!

whats going on here ?

Referring to the case of John Ballard Lloyd,
mr Alderman Johnson said, that since he had mentioned the matter before he had recieved a second letter from a person representing herself to be his lawful wife,
and making statements to his predudice.
He had given Mr Lloyd every oppertunity of making any explanation to excupate himself,
and as he had not taken the trouble to give such satifactory explanation,
he should persist in the course he had already indicated,
of returning the subscriptions where the parties were known,
 and where they were not known, upon those annonymous subscribers making application to him, thier money would be returned.


hmmmmm ???
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #33 on: Thursday 06 August 09 00:38 BST (UK) »
 ::)  And that explains why we can't find the marriage!

I bet you it doesn't state what the name of the wronged wife was  :'(
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #34 on: Thursday 06 August 09 12:02 BST (UK) »
so does it mean he had a wife as well as Lavinia?,
 or was the alderman just bogged off because they were not legally married, and if they weren't married, why ?
the plot thickens  ;D
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Re: Lloyd London Mystery
« Reply #35 on: Thursday 06 August 09 12:46 BST (UK) »
It reads to me from mr Alderman Johnson said, that since he had mentioned the matter before he had recieved a second letter from a person representing herself to be his lawful wife, that John B was already married before he got together with Lavinia circa early 1840s given the birth of their first child (1842). So, this may mean that John B is one of the John Lloyds showing in the 1841 census with a wife?

It does explain why there is no marriage showing for them if John B was already legally married before they got together.

Eight children showing to Lavinia in the censuses born between 1842 - 63. I suppose there is always the question mark over whether they were all  John B's? Without checking out every birth cert., hard to say.

Monica  :)
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