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Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
« Reply #9 on: Monday 20 May 13 13:23 BST (UK) »
Thank you for your message, I have had a good look at ancestry.com to find James' family.  I have also heard from someone from Robert Reid's family (son of David & Marion/Mary) Robert stayed in Scotland.  I could send you a copy of David Reid's death certificate if you like.  My email address is *
I would like to hear from Mick from Oz to find out who Mary Reid (daughter of David & Marion/Mary) who did Mary marry?

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to those that have contributed on subject of David Reid who Married Mary Barclay. This David Reid's parentage could not be from the union of William Reid & Jean Patton/Paton (the extra T only applies to the first three births). A defined time separation of William Reid & Jean Patton/Paton as parents of the David Reid who married Mary Barclay is recorded through event dates.  The death certificate held can only be for a David Reid older than the David Reid who married Mary Barclay.  The 1841 census does not record the son of David Reid & Mary Barclay, at the time of census he would have been 24 years of age not 20.

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Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 21 May 13 13:20 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Information on the Death Certificate of David Reid is as follows,

County of Kinross, Parish of Portmoak

David Reid, Labourer, Widow of Mary Ann Barclay,
Death date: 4th June 1864, Scotlandwell, Portmoak
Age:  69
Father:  William Reid, Farmservant (Deceased)
Mother:  Jean Reid, (Maiden Name, Paton) (Deceased)
Cause of Death:  Inflammation on the Lungs
Informant:  Thomas Reid, son (Present)

Marriage of David Reid & Mairon Barclay (Mairon, as is on Marriage Record)
Portmoak 18th November 1814

Baptism
David Reid 3 Aug 1794
Portmoak, Kinross
Father: William

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Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 21 May 13 17:31 BST (UK) »
Hi Liz

What is it you need help with?

Is it further details on David's wife? If so, what do you have on her, if anything, apart what you included in your post?

Monica  :)

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Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 21 May 13 23:04 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica,

I was replying in response to the previous post before mine.  There was a comment posted by 'whaap' that David Reid could not be the son of William Reid and Jean Paton, I was just supplying the information as it appears on the death certificate. 

Liz

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Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 22 May 13 16:29 BST (UK) »
Sorry, Liz - that was a bit daft of me  :P Thought it was the start of a thread, rather than page 2  ::)

Monica  :)
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Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 23 May 13 20:01 BST (UK) »
Hi,
David Reid born to William Reid /Jean Patton/Paton was 1791, baptised that year.
The David Reid registered as baptised by William Reid 1794 (No Mother registered)
with no firm date of birth recorded at baptism. If the William Reid, who is recorded
as baptising a David Reid in 1794, the same person who married Jean Patton/paton
either the same David Reid child was baptised twice, or more likely, first died. not unusual.
But there is no firm recording of male child who was given same name at a later date
to this couple.
David Reid who married M Barclay was recorded as 45 years old in 1841. His birth
date would be either 1795/6.  So?
Census Records, I find, can go either way.
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Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 28 May 13 20:41 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Leaving aside, for the moment,  David Reid's parentage through
William Reid & Jean paton and the glich of Batism and finding
the right William etc etc.

Best way to tackle this is to go right to the roots origin regarding
branch of Reid family in Kinross, which is,

Fossway & Tulliebole, Parish, Kinross.

There is recorded marriage

William Reid & Jean Paton
24th Dec 1776
Fossoway & Tulliebole
Kinross.

Not much in its self, but when it is considered with the fact that
the Reid family burial plot is historically situated in

The Church of Scotland
Crook of Devon
Parish Church
Church Yard

Access the burial records.

At time of disruption they stayed with old church.

RR

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Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 01 September 13 13:53 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Regarding family member of William Reid & Jean Patten/Paton.

Their son William's death recorded April first 1864 at Scotland
Well, Portmoak, at age of 84.

The informant and signatory of registration
was "David Reid", Qualification, Brother!

Unfortunately, though not present at time of William's death, no
residence was given by David Reid in appropriate section.

Whaap :-\
 

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Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 13 October 13 21:35 BST (UK) »
Hi, I am a descendant of William Reid & Jean Paton through their son David Reid & Mary Ann Barclay. David Reid died 4th June,1864 age 69yrs. which matches Aug,1794 birth. 1841 Census: David & Mary Reid both 45 & younger family members are living at Vane Farm, Portmoak. Next door is Jean Paton 85, Jean Reid 45, William Reid 25 & David Reid 20. (Ancestry Transcription Error: Viewed this Census at my local Library and names are Reid not Heid & Jean 45 Female, not John 45 of no sex) Notice, all neat ages divisible by 5? Scottish 1841 Census, adult ages were rounded down to next 5. All these adults could be up to 4yrs older than the age on the Census. So, yes, 20yr old David on the Census could actually be 24.  Also, in Scotland, married women often used their maiden names on Census Returns. Jean Paton I am sure is 45yr old David's mother, Jean 45 his unmarried sister (died 1869, Portmoak age 79) William 25 & David 20 his older sons. Probably living next door with Granny to relieve overcrowding in their parent's cottage. PS. Mary Reid dau of David Reid & Mary Ann Barclay married Alexander Greig son of William Greig & Janet McGregor, on 20th Aug,1858 at Leith, Midlothian. They lived in Portmoak where Alexander died 24th Jan,1892 age 70yrs. Mary, 19th Apr,1902 age 73yrs. Alexander & Mary Greig are my GG Grandparents. Hope some of this information is useful. Regards, Dod.
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