Mary or possibley Marion Barclay

[Jlonge]

hello.......Jan here in Canada.........John Reid was my ggrandfather. He was born just after James and Margaret came to Canada.........I have information on the Canadian side of things if you are interested

[Jlonge]

Jan here in Canada.................my ggrandfather was John Reid who was born just after Margaret Reid landed in Canada..............I have info on the Canadian side if you are interested

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Hi,
Is reference being made to the family of
James Reid, born 1816, Portmoak, to David Reid &
Marion Barclay?

I ask rather than jump to a presumption. A few later
generations of Reid landed in Canada.

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Ontario Canada, Kaladar Burial Records (Municipal)

Reid, James, Aged 84, April 6th 1897 = this would make his birth 1813
Reid, Margaret, Aged 81, March 23rd 1897 = this would make her birth 1816

Is there any Records/documentation tying up this couple with
the David Reid & Marion Barclay, recorded in Portmoak, Kinross-Shire?

I throw this out there to any and all.

Thanks

[ecksdochter]

Hello Jlonge,
     Is this your family?
     1861 Census, Kenyon, Glengarry, Canada West. James Read 48, Margaret 45 & 9 children all born Scotland except for youngest son, 2yr old John born Upper Canada.
     1881 & 1891 Census they are Kaladar, Ontario.
     If this is your family please get in touch again. I have quite a lot of information for you.
               Regards,     Dod.

[ecksdochter]

Hello Jlonge,
     Thankyou for your message. I can't PM you until you have posted 3 times, but I would rather put the information I have on open forum so others can check it out. 
     Because you have posted on this thread, I assume you have David Reid & Mary Barclay as the parents of the James Reid who emigrated to Canada. I'm afraid there are two James Reids, one born 1813, FOSSOWAY, Kinross-shire, and one born 1816, PORTMOAK, Kinross-shire, Scotland. I'll start with David & Mary's son James then follow on with the "other" James. (Bad news then good news, I hope!)
   
     BIRTH: Portmoak, Kinross-shire. James Reid, Lawful son of David Reid & Mary Barclay, Vein (Vane Farm) born 26th July,1816. Bap. 4th Aug,1816. [OPR Births 464/00 0010 0179 Portmoak]
     
     MARRIAGE: Dull, Perthshire. 31st May,1846. James Reid & Christian Anderson [OPR Marriages 346/00 0060 0193 Dull]
   
     1851 SCOTLAND CENSUS. Kinghallin, Perthshire. (Kinnighallen)
          James Reid     33 Carter   b Kinross, Fifeshire.??
          Christian Reid 35 Wife      b Weem, Perthshire.
          David Reid       4 Son       b Dull, Perthshire.
          William Reid     3 Son       b Fortingall, Perthshire.
          Mary Reid         1 Dau      b Kenmore, Perthshire.
          John Stewart    9 Stepson b Fortingall, Perthshire.

     1861 SCOTLAND CENSUS. Fortingall, Perthshire.
          James Reid         40 Carrier b Vain, Kinross-shire.
          Christy Anderson 47 Wife    b Kenmore, Perthshire.
          William Reid       13 Son      b Rannoch Lodge, Perthshire.
          Mary Reid           11 Dau     b Kighillan, Perthshire. (Kinnighallen)
               (Vane Farm is in Portmoak Parish, Kinross-shire. David & Mary Reid are still living there  on 1841 Scotland Census)

     1871 SCOTLAND CENSUS. Dull, Perthshire.
          James Reid  55 Scholar?  b Vain, Kinross-shire. (Scholar. Transcription Error for Labourer)
          Christy Reid 58 Wife        b Kenmore, Perthshire.
          William Reid 23 Son        b Fortingal, Perthshire.

     WIDOWED: 17th June,1880. Aberfeldy, Perthshire. [Statutory Deaths 324/00 0018]
          Christina Reid, married to James Reid died at Aberfeldy age 69yrs. Dau of John Anderson (Crofter) dec. & Anne Anderson ms Campbell dec. Informant: James Reid (Husband) Present.

     1881 SCOTLAND CENSUS. Dull, Perthshire.
          James Reid 63 Crofter   b Portmoak, Kinross-shire.
          Mary Reid   25 Dau       b Kenmore, Perthshire.

     1891 SCOTLAND CENSUS. Dull, Perthshire.
          James Reid 73 Retired Farm Labourer b Portmoak, Kinross-shire.

     DEATH: Aberfeldy, Perthshire. [Statutory Deaths 324/00 0031]
          James Reid (Carrier) Widower of Christina Reid, died 8th July,1892 at Chapel St, Aberfeldy age 77yrs. Son of David Reid (Ploughman) dec. & Mary Reid ms Barclay dec. Informant: David Reid (Son) Dean Park Mews, Edinburgh.

     Sorry, not the James Reid who emigrated to Canada.
I'll have to close now. Will start a new post with information about the "other" James Reid later to-day.
               Regards,     Dod.
     

[ecksdochter]

Hello again Jlonge,
     This is the James Reid more likely to be the James who emigrated. I'll start with 1851 Scotland Census & you can compare it with 1861 Canadian Census. The Canadian Census is a gem of a find because it lists all the family, including family absent from home. Took me a long time to track it down and I'm glad you could confirm that it is James Reid & Margaret Crichton.

     1851 SCOTLAND CENSUS. Crook of Devon, Fossoway & Tulliebole, Kinross-shire, Scotland.
          James Reid   37 Farm Servant b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Mary? Reid   34 Wife               b Cockpen, Edinburgh.
          Marion Reid  10 Dau               b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Henry Reid    8 Son                b Dunfermline, Fife.
          Peter Reid     6 Son                b Dunfermline, Fife.
          James Reid   4 Son                 b Aberdour, Fife.
          Jane Reid      2 Dau                b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Margret Reid 8 Mo. Dau          b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.

     1861 CANADIAN CENSUS. Kenyon, Glengarry, Canada West, Canada.
          James  Read    48 Labourer b Scotland.
          Margaret Read 45       -       b Scotland.
          Mini  Read       21       -       b Scotland.  (Absent. At S. Canada)
          Henry Read     19       -       b Scotland.  (Absent. At Locheil)
          Peter Read      17       -       b Scotland.  (Absent. At S. Canada)
          James Read     15       -      b Scotland.   (Absent. At Locheil)
          Jane  Read      13       -       b Scotland.   (Absent. At Locheil)
          Margaret Read 11      -       b Scotland.
          Elisabeth Read  7       -       b Scotland.
          Agnes  Read     6       -       b Scotland.  (Family member??)
          John  Read       2      -        b U.C. (Upper Canada)

     My grand children have just come home from school so will post more information tonight once peace reigns again!
               Regards,     Dod.

     
     

     

         

     

[ecksdochter]

Hello Jlonge,
     Elisabeth & Agnes Reid were both born in Scotland after 1851 Census taken. Fossoway & Tulliebole OPR for Elisabeth's birth is another gem of a find because most of her siblings birth details are on the same page.

1842. Henry. Son to James Reid, London? Farmer & Margt. Crichton his wife, born 19th July,1842.
1844. Peter. Son to James Reid, Dunfermline & Margt. Crichton, born 15th April,1844.
1846. James. Son to James Reid, Aberdour & Margt. Crichton, born 11th June,1846.
1848. Jean. Daughter to James Reid, Drum of Tulliebole & Margt. Crichton, born 16th July,1848.
1850. Margaret. Daughter to James Reid, Drum of Tulliebole & Margt. Crichton, born 2nd Aug,1850.
1854. Elisabeth Moncreiff. Daughter to James Reid, Drum of Tulliebole, & Margt. Crichton,
              born 5th Sept,1854.  [OPR Births 461/00 0030 0103 Fossoway & Tulliebole]

     3rd gem of a find is Agnes' Birth Certificate. Born 1855, the 1st year of official Birth, Marriage & Death registration, these certificates carry a lot of extra information not included in later certificates.
     1855. Births in the United Parishes of Fossoway & Tulliebole, in the County of Kinross.
     Agnes Mary Reid born 11th Dec,1855 at Boggiehall.
     Father: James Reid. Occ: Farmer. Age: 41. Born: Meikletown of Aldie.
     Married: 17th April,1840 at Perth.
     Mother: Margt. Reid ms Crichton. Age: 38. Born: Lasswade. (Midlothian)
     Informant: James Reid, Father (Present)
     Agnes Mary is Margaret's 9th child. 3 boys & 4 girls living. 1 boy deceased.
          [Statutory Births 461/00 0045]

    The information on the 1851 Scotland Census, 1861 Canada Census on earlier post & the birth details above certainly looks like the same family. Narrows their emigration down to between Agnes Mary's birth in Scotland & John's birth in Canada, 1855-1859.
     
     Can't find a marriage for James Reid & Margaret Crichton but I believe this is their births.

     1813. Births. Fossoway & Tulliebole, Kinross-shire. [OPR Births 461/00 0020 0493]
Nov,1813. James to Henry Reid, tenant, Aldie, born 24th curt. baptized 5th Dec, in the Church.
     (Although this Entry in The Parish Register only names James' father, Henry Reid at Aldie was married to Jane/Jean Brown)

     1816. Births. Cockpen, Midlothian. [OPR Births 676/00 0020 0222]
Margaret Crichton, born 30th June,1816. Parents: Peter Crichton & Marion Matheson.

     Most Scots named their children in a particular order, now referred to as the 'Scottish Naming Pattern'. I will add that not all Scots used this order & I wouldn't use it solely as proof but it can be a guide to grandparents names and it seems to fit here.
     1st son named after father's father.  Henry (Reid)
     2nd son named after mother's father.  Peter (Crichton)
     1st daughter named after mother's mother.  Marion (Matheson)
     2nd daughter named after father's mother.  Jean (Brown)


     Henry Reid & his wife Jane/Jean Brown 1841 & 1851.
     1841 Scotland Census. Backparks, Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Henry Reid     60 Farmer b Kinross.
          Jean Reid       60     -      b Kinross.
          Margret Reid   30    -      b Kinross.
          Elisabeth Reid 25    -      b Kinross.
          Andrew Reid   20    -      b Kinross.
     Adult ages on 1841 Census are rounded down to next 5. eg. ages 20-24 rounded down to 20.

     1851 Scotland Census. East Hilton, Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Henry Reid 72 Farmer  b Muthill, Perthshire.
          Jean Reid   73 Wife      b Kinross, Kinross-shire.
          Jean Reid   35 Dau       b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Andro Reid   8 Nephew b Beath, Fife.
          James Nicol  4 Nephew b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Plus 3 Servants. (Andrew Reid & James Nicol are grandsons not nephews)

     Can't find Henry's death but Jane Reid ms Brown died 18th Dec, 1859 at Crook of Devon, Fossoway [Statutory Deaths 461/00 0021] This DC should include parent's names to take you back another generation.
     Finally, to definitely tie Henry Reid, Jane Brown & Aldie, Fossoway together is this Inventory in Wills & Testaments on ScotlandsPeople.
Jane Reid or Brown. Relict of Henry Reid, West Backside of Aldie. d18/12/1859 at Crook of Devon.
Type: Inventory. Court: Kinross Sheriff Court. SC22/44/4. (10 Credits to view) 3 Pages.
     (This is an Inventory not a Will but it might mention other family members.)
     
     Hope the above information gives you something to work on. We've probably just lost you as a "cousin" for a generation or two. Coming from the same small county, it's likely the two James Reids were related.

               Best Regards,     Dod.

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The previous three postings were comprehensive

Jean Brown ( wife of Henry Reid, 1779, married 1810, Fossaway & Tulliebole, her age
32, his age 31.

Parents of Jean Brown, born 1778 Kinross Kinross-Shire= Andrew Brown
                                                                                   Margaret Drummond

I've tried to connect the Henry Reid & Jean Brown line to William Reid & Jean Paton line, but
so far failed.

I am the first to admit that that could all change in the turn of a page.