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Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 18 August 16 10:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Joy
Thank you so much for your prompt reply. I was hoping to contact you through the message system. I'm not sure what happens next! Thank you, Suzanne

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Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« Reply #28 on: Thursday 18 August 16 12:20 BST (UK) »
Most likely you already have the following, but for the benefit of others, may I mention that NSW State Records Office includes:

30 January 1828
Arrival in Sydney NSW as per Convict Indents
James BROGAN, aged 31 years, born Co Clare, Ireland.
Roman Catholic, Farm Servant, a Married Man with five children.
Sentenced to Life, tried 4 April 1827 at Galway on Firearms and Burglary charge.
Arrived per the Marquis of Huntley (2)  (Marquis of Huntley was the name of the ship, and it was its second voyage transporting convicted persons).
Assigned to George WINDHAM at the Hunters River.

November 1828 NSW Census
In the Household of William CARTER, at Piecefield, Hunter River
James Brogan, 33 years of age, a Government Servant, a Shepherd.

1836
Ticket of Leave No. 36/0740
James BROGAN received his Ticket of Leave, allowing him to remain in the Goulburn District.  He had arrived 1828 on the Marquis of Huntley.  His trial had been at Galway

1838
Ticket of Leave 38/0005
James BROGAN received further Ticket of Leave, allowed to remain in the Goulburn District.   Trial place Galway, per Marquis of Huntley 1828.

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Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« Reply #29 on: Friday 19 August 16 00:06 BST (UK) »
Hi Thanks for supplying the information, I also have information on his trial in Ireland if any others are interested.
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Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« Reply #30 on: Friday 04 August 17 13:51 BST (UK) »
Hi Thanks for supplying the information, I also have information on his trial in Ireland if any others are interested.
Regards
Joy

I'd love any information you have on the trial or this family. As I found out I'm related to them. :)

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Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« Reply #31 on: Friday 04 August 17 13:57 BST (UK) »
Hi folk,
I'm looking for information on the following family line...

Bryan Brogan b ~1750 Belfast Antrim Northern Ireland. d. unknown. Married Penelope O’Brien ~1791 Ireland.

Had son:
James Brogan b. 1791 Maymooth Parish Copperbrawn County Clare, Ireland. Migrated to Australia as a convict (needing clarification on this point). d. 7 Feb 1871. Married Elleinor Horan. 

Had son:
Peter Brogan b. 1818 County Claire, Ireland. Immigration 23 Dec 1835 Sydney NSW Australia. d. 10 March 1886 Spring Valley NSW and Margaret Elizabeth Clune, 21 Feb 1848 Yass, NSW.

Had son:
Bryan James Joseph Brogan b. 4 Feb 1855 Spring Valley NSW Australia. d. 1 Mar 1896 St George Qld. Drowned. Married Esther O’Brien 2 Jul 1875 Goulburn NSW.

Had daughter:
Marcella Brogan b. 3 Sep 1875 Goulburn NSW d. 2 Nov 1947 Goulburn NSW Australia. Married John Henry Humphries (b. ~1868 Goulburn NSW d. ~ 1933 Young NSW) in 1894 Goulburn NSW.

Had the following children:
1.   Eileen Mary Humphries b. 1895 Goulburn NSW
2.   Kathleen Vera Humphries b. 1896 Goulburn NSW
3.   John Francis Humphries b. 1897 Goulburn NSW
4.   Mary Ellen Humphries b. Sep 1900 Goulburn NSW
5.   Herbert James Humphries b. 1904 Goulburn NSW
6.   Henry Austin Humphries b. 7 Oct 1907 Goulburn NSW
7.   Eric Leo Humphries b. 1911 Goulburn NSW
8.   Iris Margaret Humphries b. 1916 Goulburn NSW

Kathleen Vera Humphries b. 1896 Goulburn, NSW. d. December 1974, Waratah NSW. Married Walter Joseph Clancy in 1918, Goulburn NSW.

Had daughter:
Jean Kathleen Clancy b. 8 May 1919, Goulburn NSW d. 10 May 2012, Cardiff NSW. Married Early Kennedy McNaughton March 1940, Waratah NSW.

If anybody here has information on this family line, particularly in relation to the convict information re: James, I would greatly appreciate your feedback.

Kind regards,
Kim.

I'd love any info you have, john Francis Humphries is my great grandfather!

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Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« Reply #32 on: Monday 07 August 17 10:13 BST (UK) »
Hello TiaLozi92, Welcome to RootsChat :)

Joy was online a few days ago, hopefully she should reply to your post very soon.

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Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« Reply #33 on: Monday 07 August 17 22:59 BST (UK) »
Hi Kim
Sorry I thought your message was an old one 2016.  What ever information I can help with I would only to glad to share. Here is an account of his crime.
The attempted murder of Philip Reade, Mountshannon, March 17th, 1824

James & Ellen lived on five acres of rented land in Cappabane. In the adjoining townland of Shean lived Anthony Boland who had fourteen acres of rented land. In the townland of Fossabeg lived Daniel Dinan who rented a few acres in common with nine others. Across the river Bow in the townland of Magherareagh lived Patrick Durack and his wife Judith Bleach. This man was an uncle of Michael Durack ancestor of the Duracks of "Kings in Grass Castles " fame. For some unexplained reason he was never mentioned in Dame Mary Durack's best seller, first published in 1959.

In the townland of Sellernane , Mountshannon lived Patrick O'Dea and his wife. His subsequent actions were to change the lives of the above forever.Philip Reade, of Woodpark, owned half the parish of Mountshannon and was also a successful barrister. He had a magnificent country house with landscaped gardens overlooking Holy Island and Lough Derg. He was by all accounts a benevolent landlord, particularly in later years during the Great Hunger.

On St Patrick's night 1824, Brogan, Durack, Dinan, Boland, O'Dea and one Patrick Tuohy, for some unexplained reason broke into Philip Reade's house with the sole intention of murdering him. They shot him in the chest and shoulder and presumed he was dead. For months Philip Reade lay dangerously ill while the best surgeons in the country attended him.

The military and yeomanry scoured the countryside for his attackers and offered fifty pounds for information. No one in this part of the country was more despised than the informer and no one more deserving of the curse "may the hearthstone of hell be your bed forever." For two years the search continued until finally one of the party Patrick O'Dea informed the authorities.

There was a lot of interest in the trial but still no motive was given or at least reported. Patrick O'Dea stated that it was James Brogan who set it up and to divert suspicion they pretended to quarrel in the ensuing weeks. O'Dea was to accuse Brogan of having an affair with his wife, and this would prevent the neighbours from having any suspicions. No witness was called for the defence and after about twenty minutes the jury returned with a guilty verdict. The judge with spine chilling solemnity then said "You James Brogan, Patrick Durack, Anthony Boland, and Patrick Tuohy are to be taken from hence, to the place from whence you came and from thence to the place of execution and there you are to hang by the necks until you are dead - and may God almighty have mercy on your souls"
A few days before the intended execution they were all reprieved. No reason was given and they were sent as convicts to New South Wales. On Tuesday May 28th 1827 under strong escort they passed through Ennis on their way to the hulk "Surprise", lying at anchor at the cove of Cork.
Source Robert Mote Home page http://www.ozigen.com/tree/p167.htm#i12025.

Ireland, Tithe Applotment Books, 1823-1837
1825
Name:   James Brogan
County:   Clare
Parish:   Tomgraney
Townland:Cappybane Mountain Farm

There were also other Brogans in the same area brothers I think.
Brogan Stephen   Cappabane Mountain Farm
Brogan Michl   Cappabane Mountain Farm
Brogan James   Cappabane Mountain Farm
Brogan, Jr Michl   Cappabane Mountain Farm
Brogan? Michl   Cappabane Mountain Farm

Passage form book "Letters from Irish Australia" by Professor Patrick O’Farrell.
"Other convicts- perhaps less sure of their persuasive powers, or less literate, or with more accommodating masters - got help from their employers. Robert Futter of Lumley in the County of Argyle, Goulburn wrote on 10 November, 1834 on behalf of his servant James Brogan. He told Mrs Brogan…I consider that when you are (with your family) fortunate enough to reach this country you have every reason to expect that he will be able ( with the exertion of yourself and family) to maintain you respectably. Every person in this Colony who is honest, sober and industrious cannot fail to do well.

Futter also told Mrs Brogan that her husband had all the relevant permissions and instructed her in the formalities to be follow, He left the last page for Brogan himself to reply to a letter his wife had sent; There is nothing in this world grieved me but the delay of you and family my son Thomas cant come in the same ship with you for being of age and the best thing that can do is to go to the Captain of the ship and enter with him as a working hand if he dont engage with the Captain he is sure to come in the next meal ship that leaves Ireland.

Brogan, had been literate but neither fluent of grammatical, Brogan had been transported in 1829. He had six children. His 35yr wife Ellen, together with 3 daughters and 1 son (the other 2 sons aged 20 and 18 left on a later ship) left Cork to join him on 22 October 1835 on the Roslin Castle"

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Joy


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Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« Reply #34 on: Monday 05 February 18 22:00 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for posting this history. I only recently discovered a family connection to the Brogan and Durack families. I visited East Clare last week and stood in Cappaghabaun, Maghereagh, Sellernaun, Mountshannon, Scarriff, Cloonamirran, Ogonnelloe, and the Clonrush cemetery. I also spent time in the Co. Clare archives in Ennis photographing all I could find on the Durack, Brogan, Dillon, Sammon, Bouchier, Long and Young families from that area. Nothing much remains from the early 1800's. The great mystery I am trying to solve is who my 3rd ggrandmother? the name I have is widow Mrs. Sarah Young born about 1791 in Co. Clare, the oral history names Mountshannon. We are connected thru DNA matches to this region, and we are assuming she is a Durack, Brogan, Dillon, possibly a Sammon or Bouchier? If anyone knows of a lost sister named Sarah, please let me know. If there was some scandal such as attempted murder, that might explain why we know nothing about her family connections. Although when I read about the horrors of the smallholding farmers being evicted by the landlords, I don't know if I'd be too embarrassed by an act of revolt.

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Re: BROGAN family from Co.CLARE to Australia
« Reply #35 on: Monday 05 February 18 22:30 GMT (UK) »
FYI - I see a lot of misinformation about the geography of East Clare Lough Derg.
Scarriff parish(Barony of Upper Tulla) includes the town, Moyne, Carrowmore, Fossabeg, Tuamgraney, Raheen, Callahy. 
Inishcaltra parish(Barony of Leitrim) includes Mountshannon, Cappaduff, Sellernaun, Cappaghabaun, Cloonamirran, Maghereagh.
Clonrush parish(Barony of Leitrim) includes Whitegate, Meelick, Gweeneeny, Cloonoolia, Drummaan, Cappagha, Cregg, Furnace. 
All of these townlands have been in Co. Clare since 1898, prior to that Inishcaltra and Clonrush parishes were part of Co. Galway.