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Re: Passenger lists into Liverpool
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 26 August 09 11:55 BST (UK) »
Ah, thanks Ken. So if he doesn't turn up on any passenger lists (and there are lots of them!) he was probably crew. For example, here are all the ships (name, line, and official voyage number) travelling to Liverpool from Karachi between 1911-1915:

1911
SS City of Athens (City Line) 113934
SS City of Athens (Hall Line) 113934
SS City of Benares (Hall Line) 114004
SS City of Calcutta (Ellerman City Line) 115759
SS City fo Glasgow (Ellerman City Line) 121304
SS City of Lahore (Hall Line) 131336
SS City of Manchester (Ellerman City Line) 115742
SS City of Paris (Ellerman City Line) 124223
SS City of Vienna (Hall Line) 97652
SS City of Vienna (City Line) 97652
SS City of York (City Line) 119100
SS City of York (Ellerman City Line) 119100
SS Trafford Hall (Ellerman Line) 114004
SS Trafford Hall (Hall Line) 120906


1912
SS City of Athens (Ellerman City Line) 113934
SS City of Benares (Ellerman City Line) 114002
SS City of Birmingham (Hall Line) 131397
SS City of Delhi (Hall Line) 113948
SS City of Glasgow (City Line) 121304
SS City of Glasgow (Ellerman City Line) 121304
SS City of Lahore (Hall Line) 131336
SS City of Manchester (City Line) 115742
SS City of Paris (Hall Line) 124223
SS City of Paris (Ellerman City Line) 124223
SS City of Poona (Ellerman Line) 131423
SS City of Sparta (City Line) 106082
SS City of Sparta (Ellerman Line) 106082
SS City of York (City Line) 119100
SS Custodian (Harrison Line) 110635
SS Locksley Hall (Hall Line) 102651
SS Newby Hall (Hall Line) 120848
SS Trafford Hall (Ellerman Hall Line) 120906
SS Trafford Hall (Hall Line) 120906


1913
SS City of Athens (Ellerman City Line) 113934
SS City of Benares (City Line) 114002
SS City of Birmingham (Ellerman City Line) 131397
SS City of Calcutta (Ellerman Hall Line) 115759
SS City of Glasgow (Ellerman Hall Line) 121304
SS City of Glasgow (Ellerman City Line) 121304
SS City of London (City Line) 124162
SS City of London (Hall Line) 131336
SS City of Lahore (Hall Line) 131336
SS City of Lahore (City Line) 131336
SS City of Lahore (Ellerman Line) 131336
SS City of Manchester (Hall Line) 115742
SS City of Marseilles (Ellerman Line) 135436
SS City of Paris (Hall Line) 124223
SS City of Poona (City Line) 131423
SS City of Sparta (City Line) 106082
SS City of York (Hall Line) 119100
SS Revolver (Richard B Chellow) 133334


1914
SS City of Athens (Ellerman Hall Line) 113934
SS City of Benares (City Line) 114004
SS City of Birmingham (Ellerman Hall Line) 131397
SS City of Calcutta (Ellerman City Line) 115759
SS City of Marseilles (Ellerman Hall Line) 135436
SS City of York (City Line) 119100
SS Clodmoor (Moor Line) -


1915
SS City of Cairo (Hall Line) 137423
SS City of Karachi (Hall Line) 120846
SS City of Lahore (Ellerman Line) 131336
SS City of Lahore (Hall Line) 131336
SS City of London (Ellerman City Line) 124162
SS City of Manchester (Ellerman Line) 115742
SS City of Poona (Hall Line) 131423
SS City of York (City Line) 119100
SS Cranmore (Johnston Line) 120894
SS Lingfield (Messrs Woods, Tyler and Brown Ltd) 129128
SS Locksley Hall (Hall Line) 102651
SS Nigaristan (Messrs Frank C Strick and Company Ltd) 128949
SS Trecarrell (Hain Steamship Company Ltd) 122654

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Re: Passenger lists into Liverpool
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 26 August 09 12:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Simon

Could he have been on a troop ship and would they still be listed?

I've actually got a few crew who are on passenger lists but there must be loads of other occasions when they aren't.

What I can't find are ships lists for troops during or outside the war, in fact not even mt Grandma going out to get married via a troopship.  I just wondered with it being India.  They were married in Bombay.

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« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 26 August 09 13:17 BST (UK) »
I've asked military sources and they say his regiment and service number means that he joined up (Liverpool Regiment) in England and didn't serve abroad until at least January 1916. So it sound like he was already in England (Liverpool). Whether his parents Gulam and Susie were with him I don't know. And whether he had any siblings I don't know.

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Re: Passenger lists into Liverpool
« Reply #12 on: Monday 13 September 10 14:53 BST (UK) »
I amlooking for any record of my greatgrandfather leaving Ireland. He is not on the Ireland 1901 census but I have found his name Nicholas Smyth on Prison records in Leicester in 1901. How could I check any lrecords of him leaving Ireland prior to this? Would be grateful for any help.


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Re: Passenger lists into Liverpool
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 08:56 BST (UK) »
Prior to the partition of Ireland, what is now the republic was just part of the UK. Crossing would leave as many official records as, say, catching a train from London to Glasgow today.

The Criminal Registers on Ancestry only go up to 1892, and he does not appear there, so he must have been a recent arrival in the prison.

There is no sign of him in the 1891 census, so no chance of getting a place of birth better than "Ireland". I can't find him in 1911 either.

However, most of the people in custody there seem to be from the local area, with a smattering of seafarers, so it's likely he was living in Leicestershire (or possibly one of the surrounding counties) when arrested.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: Passenger lists into Liverpool
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 14 September 10 15:25 BST (UK) »
Thankyou for your reply, it is very helpful. I know he was born in Blackrock, Co. Louth, Ireland. I can find his parents still living in Blackrock ( Ireland 1901 Census)but Nicholas is not living there. I have searched the Ireland Census 1901 but can't find him. I am mystified.

Thankyou once again for taking your time to do the searches.

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