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Re: LIDDELL of Bodmin
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 11 October 09 18:09 BST (UK) »
Tom

WH is probably William Henry Liddell, born 1833 and son of James junior, who rose to be a Captain.  If you want the whole Liddell dynasty in Bodmin up to 1900, I have it courtesy of Denis Mollison of this website.

Barrie

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Re: LIDDELL of Bodmin
« Reply #10 on: Monday 12 October 09 10:26 BST (UK) »
Tom

I've now joined Lancashire Libraries (they give you a temporary number online) and looked at the Gale database.  It's a very useful resource.

One question: for the Manchester Times of 24 Aug 1889 you said that they 'took the trouble both to report it and give an obituary'.  I could only find the death notice that you quoted originally.  Is there an obituary elsewhere?

Best wishes
Barrie

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Re: LIDDELL of Bodmin
« Reply #11 on: Monday 12 October 09 13:25 BST (UK) »
Barrie,
Yes now you will have some fun: Sorry to mislead you, not an obit, but a bit more about his career in Hampshire Telegraph, just put in a search for James Liddell and all papers and year 1889 and see what happens.

Tom

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Re: LIDDELL of Bodmin
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 12 November 09 19:26 GMT (UK) »
Just seen this thread ..

I'm descended from William Liddell (1802-54), who emigrated to Madras in 1833 in the "Wellington" captained by his older brother James.

I append a note giving the 10 children and 39 grandchildren of James Liddell (ca. 1764/5 - 1839) and Mary Martyn (1770-1845).
[Mary also came from a huge family - her children were among about 160 fourth generation descendants of Thomas Martyn  & Gertrude Turnavine who married in 1696 in St Columb Minor - see Martyn tree thread on this site.]
I also have details on most of the next couple of generations, including where they were at the 1841-1901 censuses, and extensive notes on some of the more interesting ones, including the second son James (1798-1889)  [His naval career, 1812-25, merchant navy career  1825 - ca. 1845, etc etc - some of his ship logs survive, and I've asked if I can see at least a sample ...].

One easy aspect of research is that virtually all mentions of Liddell in Cornwall up to 1901 refer to this family.

The difficult aspect is where the first James Liddell came from, so I'll be very interested if any of you come up with anything concrete, in Lancashire or elsewhere.  [Another possibility is central Scotland, where there are several Liddells related to papermaking or bookselling, but I've found nothing definite so far.]

The earliest claim for him in Cornwall is in  Allnutt (1901), `Notes on the introduction of printing presses into the smaller ..'
1787 list starts with:
BODMIN. James Liddell [His son, Capt. James Liddell]
- presumably meaning the latter (1798-1889) was his source.

More reliable are adverts from 1790 onwards showing he was active as a bookseller in Bodmin.  He was elected a town councillor in 1805.

Look forward to hearing any more you can provide.

Best wishes

Denis


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Here follow JL & MM and their children and grandchildren.
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You can also find them as part of my family tree on
http://www.mollison.org/tree/fam/Liddell.html
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James Liddell
Printer, stationer and seedsman, Bodmin, from ca. 1790
  b. ca. 1765, , parents ? (age at death given in newspaper as 74)
  d. 13 Jul 1839 Bodmin
  m. 31 Mar 1793 St Columb Minor, Mary Martyn (16 Apr 1770 - 21 Jun 1845)
   children:
     Margaret Martyn Liddell (4 May 1794 - 18 Dec 1875)
     John Liddell (20 Mar 1796 - 5 Apr 1861)
     James Liddell (ca. 1798 - 15 Aug 1889)
     Silas Hiscutt Liddell (6 Jan 1800 - 16 Apr 1872)
     William Liddell (24 Mar 1802 - 22 June 1854)
     Thomas Liddell (10 Jan 1804 - 22 Mar 1885)
     Elias Hiscutt Liddell (27 Jan 1807 - Jul 1863)
     Henry Liddell (8 Apr 1808 - 15 Apr 1884)
     Mary Liddell (24 May 1810 - ca. Nov 1870)
     Gertrude Liddell (28 Jan 1813 - )

- message too long, will post grandchildren next -


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Re: LIDDELL of Bodmin
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 12 November 09 19:29 GMT (UK) »
- message continued - the next generation -

Margaret Martyn Liddell
Printer and bookseller stationer (1851)
  c. 4 May 1794, Bodmin, parents James Liddell and Mary Martyn
  d. 18 Dec 1875,

John Liddell
Printer and bookseller stationer etc
  c. 20 Mar 1796 Bodmin, parents James Liddell and Mary Martyn
  d. 5 Apr 1861,
  m. 11 Apr 1825 Bodmin, Mary Stone Harvey (30 May 1800 - ca. Feb 1870)
   children:
     Edward Trescott Liddell (ca. 1828 - ca. Nov 1900)
     m. ca. Aug 1881 London, Jessie Dean (ca 1845 - after 1900)
- note - ME also gives  Eleanor Harvey Liddell (1833 - ), but this looks like
    a misreading of the 1841 census

James Liddell
Commander, RN; JP for Bodmin
  b. 17 Jan 1798, Bodmin, parents James Liddell and Mary Martyn
  d. 15 Aug 1889, Bodmin
  m. 14 Aug 1827, St Columb Minor Gertrude Symons
   children:
     James Liddell (21 May 1829 - 19 Jun 1849) - Lt, RE
     John Worthy Liddell (11 Feb 1831 - 5 Aug 1864) - engineer - d. Venezuela
     William Henry Liddell (30 Apr 1833 - ca. May 1880) Capt, RN
     m. ca. Nov 1864 Exeter, Catherine Rebecca Kingdon (ca. 1832-1914); 3 children
     Gustavus Evans Liddell (28 Apr 1835 - ca. Aug 1894) - schoolmaster
     m. ca. May 1882, Plympton, Mary Elizabeth Kingdon (1830-1893)
     Anna Gertrude Liddell (9 Nov 1837 - ca. May 1892)

Silas Hiscutt Liddell
Printer and bookseller stationer etc (1851)
  c. 6 Jan 1800, Bodmin, parents James Liddell and Mary Martyn
  d. 16 Apr 1872, Bodmin
  m. 20 Jun 1832, Bodmin Eleanor Oliver (6 Oct 1801 - ca. Feb 1867)
   children:
     Mary Helen Liddell (1 Oct 1833 - ca. Aug 1872)
     m. 6 Oct 1859 Bodmin, George Bray (ca. 1831 - ); 3 children
     Henry Liddell (3 Sep 1834 - ca. Nov 1897) - printer, Bodmin
     m 15 Feb 1859 Bodmin, Sarah Harvey (1836 - 1921); 13 children
     Silas Hiscutt Liddell (17 Aug 1835 - Mar 1878) - Lt, RN
     m Sep 1859 Stoke Damerel, Maria Jane Wallis (1835-1923); 4 children
     John Liddell (24 Nov 1837 - ) - printer, Bodmin
     m ca. May 1877, Mary May; 5 children
     Eleanor Liddell (14 May 1839 - ca. Nov 1900) - bookseller and stationer, Bodmin
     Elizabeth Liddell (20 Nov 1840 - after 1901)
     Jane Liddell (20 Sep 1842 - ?1889)
     Harriet Gertrude Liddell (2 Jul 1844 - ca. Feb 1911) - stationer
     m 13 Apr 1874 Bodmin, William Solomon Tonkin,- ironmonger; 3 children
     Charles Liddell (20 Feb 1846 - )- manager of printing works, India (1881)
     m ca. 1875 Emma - (ca. 1855-); 2 children
     Agnes Shepheard Liddell (22 Mar 1848 - ca. May 1922) - schoolmistress
     m 24 Jul 1873, William Henry (1848-1878) - accountant; 2 children

William Liddell
Surgeon, Coroner of Madras 1841-1854
  c. 24 Mar 1802 Bodmin, parents James Liddell and Mary Martyn
  d. 22 June 1854 Madras
  m. 1 Sep 1827 Chelsea, Susanna Sophia Austin (1804-1853)
   children:
     Susan Gertrude Liddell (29 Nov 1828 - ca. Dec 1911)
    m 20 Apr 1847 Madras, George Walker (1818-1904) East India merchant; 11 children
     Mary Helen Liddell (11 May 1830 - )
     Emily Darke Liddell (12 Jan 1832 - ca. May 1908)
    m ca. 1855, Alfred John Byard (1822-1880) - EI merchant; 6 children
     Annie Ashton Liddell (17 Dec 1833 - )
     William Byam Liddell (10 Sep 1835 - ca. Nov 1901) - EI merchant
    m 24 March 1863 Madras, Jane Maclure (1840- ); 3 children
     James Martyn Liddell (10 Aug 1837 - 1848)
     John Henry Liddell (26 May 1839 - )

Thomas Liddell
Farmer, Treglines, 1841 and 1881
  c. 10 Jan 1804, Bodmin, parents James Liddell and Mary Martyn
  d. 22 Mar 1885, Bodmin
  m1. 27 Oct 1828, Bodmin Amy Vercoe (1807-1872)
   children:
     Thomas Liddell (1 Sep 1829 - ?1888) - farm bailiff
     Margaret Mary Liddell (4 Dec 1831 - 12 Aug 1899)
     m. 30 Sep 1856 St Minver, Samuel Symons (1827-1917) - farmer, Pentire; 3 children
     Henry Liddell (22 Jun 1833 - after 1901) - railway manager
     m. ca. Feb 1855 Camberwell, Jane Grace Whetter (1827-1913); 5 children
     Ellen Liddell (ca. 1835 - ca. Aug 1865)
     m. ca. Nov 1864 Bodmin, Benjamin Hawken - farmer; 1 child
  m2. ca. Nov 1873 Marylebone, Harriet Walker

Elias Hiscutt Liddell
Merchant, Bodmin
  c. 27 Jan 1807, Bodmin, parents James Liddell and Mary Martyn
  d. Jul 1863, Bodmin
  m. ca. May 1843, Stoke Damerel Louisa Randall
   children:
     George Liddell (29 Aug 1844 - )
     m. ca. Aug 1871 Plymouth, Mary Lewin (1846- )

Henry Liddell
Deputy Inspector Of Hospitals R N
  c. 8 Apr 1808, Bodmin, parents James Liddell and Mary Martyn
  d. 15 Apr 1884, Plympton St M
  m. ca. Nov 1843 Stoke Damerel, Agnes Shepheard
   children:
     Henry John Shepheard Liddell (20 Nov 1854 - ca. Nov 1908)
     m1. ca. May 1878 Falmouth, Jessie Carne (1859-1890); 2 children
     m2. ca. May 1892, Kingston, Emily Mary Daniell (ca. 1861- )

Mary Liddell
Schoolmistress, 1841
  c. 24 May 1810 Bodmin, parents James Liddell and Mary Martyn
  d. ca. Nov 1870, Chelsea
  m. 29 Dec 1842 Bodmin, Elias Octavius Symons - architect (cousin, his 2nd marriage)
   children:
     James Symons (ca. Aug 1845 - ca. Aug 1846)
     Charles Symons (ca. Feb 1847 - )
     Mary Symons (ca. Nov 1848 - ?ca. Feb 1849)

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Re: LIDDELL of Bodmin
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 12 November 09 19:30 GMT (UK) »

- and finally -

Gertrude Liddell
to Canada 1851/2 with family (5 children b. Cornwall, 2 Canada)
  c. 28 Jan 1813, Bodmin, parents James Liddell and Mary Martyn
  m. 9 Jan 1837 Bodmin, John Parkin Vercoe (his 2nd marriage)
   children:
    Henry Liddell Vercoe (Oct 1840 - 1897), Physician; 4 children
    m. ca. 1868, P A -
    Gertrude Vercoe (ca. Nov 1843 - )
    m. ca. 1875, Thomas Roberts - in c1880, no ch.
    John Vercoe (16 Oct 1845 - 8 Mar 1897)
    m. 21 Aug 1872 St Thomas, Emily Elizabeth Jackson
    James Vercoe (ca. Aug 1847 - )
    Mary Liddell Vercoe (ca. May 1850 - )
    m. ca. 1875, Samuel Hutchins (ca. 1848- ); 3 children (in c1880)
    Margaret Liddell Vercoe (2 Oct 1852 - 2 Jun 1885); ?2 children
    m. 20 Mar 1872 Sparta, Edward Byron Haight
    Charlotte D Vercoe (ca. 1855 - ); in c1880 with bro. HL, single,

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Re: LIDDELL of Bodmin
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 03 August 10 17:14 BST (UK) »
Hi, I wonder if anyone has turned up a connection between the Liddells and Berry Cottage 3 Berry lane?

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Re: LIDDELL of Bodmin
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 01 September 10 18:16 BST (UK) »
Hi,
My wife is descended from the James Liddell//Mary Martyn line.

We've just been down to St Columb and Bodmin with the Oz/NZ 2nd cousins who are from the same line.

I made a note of some Liddell headstones and plaques in St Petroc's, Bodmin. I don't think they've been recorded on this thread, but if they have my apologies.


William Liddell Tonkin wall plaque
REMEMBER BEFORE GOD
WILLIAM LIDDELL TONKIN
1875 – 1934
cross bearer in this church for 40 years
his dearly loved wife
LISSIE AMELIA TONKIN
1879 – 1927
and his son’s beloved wife
HILDA MAY TONKIN
1899 - 1967


James Liddell wall plaque
To the memory of
James Liddell
First Lieutenant of Royal Engineers
(and eldest son of Lieut Liddell RN of this town).
who was lost with nearly all his company of sappers
on Prince Edward Island in the South Seas
June 19th 1849, aged 20
This highly gifted youth, regardless of self
amidst the awful wreck, closed his brief and most
promising career in a noble effort to save
a perishing lady.


I've taken pictures of these plaques, the inside and outside of the church and of Liddells house next door. They are too large to attach so if you'd like a copy, drop me a line.

I'm going to drop Denis a note with details of my wife's line so that it can be added to the Liddell/Martyn web pages - once it's verified!

Tim

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Re: LIDDELL of Bodmin
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 01 September 10 18:28 BST (UK) »

Thanks - I hadn't seen these.  I'm intrigued by the reference on the memorial to Lt James Liddell RE to "Prince Edward Island in the South Seas".  I'd assumed previously that he'd been wrecked off the PEI in Canada.  Does it possibly mean the sub-Antarctic islands south of South Africa?  If so, what was his ship doing there?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Edward_Islands

Incidentally, I've found quite a lot on his father James Liddell (1798-1889)'s career, in both royal and merchant navies, if anyone's interested.

Denis