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Re: John Stamford & George TATE, Beverley
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 05 September 09 09:04 BST (UK) »
I can see Annie Stamford on earlier censuses but no George Tate born Middlesborough at all  :(
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Re: John Stamford & George TATE, Beverley
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 05 September 09 17:17 BST (UK) »
I may have a possible candidate after all:

1871 census
RG10/4896 74 22
Linthorpe, Yorkshire
17 Kendal St

Robert Date, head, 26, Labourer (Ironworks), b. York Lockington
Hannah Eliz, wife, 24, b. Beverley
George, son, 5 mo, b. Middlesbro

The surname is clearly Date on the census image, but previous censuses don't show a Robert Date born ca. 45 Lockington - there is however a matching Robert Tate

George's age matches a Dec 1870 birth registration of a George Tate in Stockton registration district (covered Middlesbrough) - there isn't a birth for a George Date around the same time.

Not sure where they all disappear to after 1871  :P
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Re: John Stamford & George TATE, Beverley
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 05 September 09 17:40 BST (UK) »
Really don't know why it took me so long to find him in 1881!  ???

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RG11/4780 83 19

The transcription is very strange though - I'll post my own interpretation in a mo. The original helps confirm a marriage I found earlier:

Dec 1869 Beverley 9d 238
Robert Tate - Nora Elizabeth Cooper 

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Re: John Stamford & George TATE, Beverley
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 05 September 09 17:56 BST (UK) »
RG11/4780 83 19
Hull Holy Trinity
8 Kingston Ter

Anora E Tate, head, wid, 31, no occupation Widow of a Well Sinker, b. Yorks Beverley
George, son, 10, scholar, b. Durham Middlesbro
Florence, dau, 4, b. Yorks Hull
Mary E, dau, 2, b. do.
Eliza, dau, 6 mo, b. do.

I've no idea where the LDS transcription of her occupation comes from!  ;D
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Re: John Stamford & George TATE, Beverley
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 05 September 09 18:12 BST (UK) »
So now we have both George's parents before their marriage:

Annora Elizabeth Cooper (birth registered Dec 1849 Beverley 23 8 ) and Robert Tate

1851
HO107/2359 246 2
Beverley St Mary, Yorkshire
Selleys? Yard

William Cooper, head, 37, Whitesmith
Anna, wife, 28
Thomas, son, 5
John, son, 3
Annora, dau, 1

All born Beverley

In 1861, Anora is in the workhouse with her mother Ann (who is shown as married) and younger sisters Ann age 8 and Mary age 5 (RG9/3569 49 15)

Robert's parents were called William and Ann as well!

1851
HO107/2359 714 19
Lockington, Yorkshire

William Tate, head, 51, Ag lab, b. Yorks Riverbridge?
Ann, wife, 50, b. Lockington
George, son, s, 24, Ag lab, b. do.
Ellen, dau, 11, scholar, b. do.
Robert, son, 7, scholar, b. do.
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Re: John Stamford & George TATE, Beverley
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 05 September 09 18:21 BST (UK) »
Shall we trace Annie Stamford back now?

I suppose you've found her in 1881 with widowed father Charles and many siblings. Here she is in 1871, mother still alive:

1871
RG10/4771 68 16
Lockington, Yorkshire

Charles Stamford, head, 38, Builder & Machinist, b. Beverley
Sarah, wife, 32, b. Beswick
Emily, dau, 12, b. Lockington
Elizabeth A, dau, 9, b. do.
Charles H?, son, 6, b. do.
Sarah, dau, 4, b. do.
Ellen, dau, 3, b. do.
Anne, dau, 1, b. do.
John R Wilson, apprentice, unm, 19, Machinist Apprentice, b. Hull
 
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Re: John Stamford & George TATE, Beverley
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 05 September 09 18:39 BST (UK) »
Marriage Charles Stanford to possibly Sarah Clark
Dec 1857 Beverley 9d 227

1851
HO107/2359 299 15
Beverley St Mary, Yorkshire
Walkergate

Hutchinson Stamford, head, 51, Machine Maker, b. Beverley
Elizabeth, wife, 52, b. Brand? Burton
Charles, son, 19, Blacksmith Journeyman, b. Beverley
Sarah, dau, 8, at home, b. do.

Sarah Clark(e) was already in service at age 12 in 1851  >:(

This might be her in 1841:

HO107/1218/6 13? 2
Beswick, Yorkshire

John Clark, 25, Tailor
Mary, 25
Sarah, 2
Ellen, 7 mo

The family are in Lockington by 1851.

Hutchinson Stamford's birth and marriage are on the IGI at www.familysearch.org

There's also a likely christening for William Cooper
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Re: John Stamford & George TATE, Beverley
« Reply #16 on: Monday 07 September 09 18:55 BST (UK) »
 :)You people are amazing!  Thank you so much for all this information.  And the Date/Tate man is an interesting one.  I am going to have to map it all out for myself so that I can have a better look.  Many thanks again.  I really appreciate it. 

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Re: John Stamford & George TATE, Beverley
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 17 September 09 11:14 BST (UK) »
There was a George TATE joined the East Riding Police force on 11.9.1879 followed by a George Wilfred TATE who was PC 10, he joined1.11.1920, Hope this helps in some way
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