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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #171 on: Tuesday 31 August 10 13:29 BST (UK) »
Thanks Bethgem, the amount of detail that Histres has sent me is outstanding, he's definitely been a good friend to us all. Looks like the 'brick wall' has finally come to an end, I'll update when I've completed

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Ireland (Donegal-Rosses, Mullaghduff, Boyle Co Roscommon & other counties); Donachie, Finnigan, McGinley, Brennan, Sharkey, Boyle, Sweenie, Kearns, Balmartin, Martin, McDonald, Irvine

England (Carlisle); Ashbridge,Armstrong, Cavers, Wall, Dixon
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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #172 on: Thursday 02 September 10 18:24 BST (UK) »
Hohebach is near to Dörzbach from where a number of my "Bauer (Bower) relations came from. In search, search, search again I related how I tied them up to my Pfisterers.
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Hello SwissGill,

At the moment I am about to list all the pork butchers and ladies that emigrated from Kocherstetten to the UK. There existed a close-woven netwerk between most of them. Can you please pm me, how the Bowers of Dörzbach (I suppose it is the family in Queen Street, Horbury) are tied to the Pfisterers?
If you wished, I could send you my "Kocherstetten list", but it's written in German. Can you read German or is there someone in your family who could translate it for you?
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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #173 on: Thursday 02 September 10 20:09 BST (UK) »
Great news Johnboy.

Hohebach is near to Dörzbach from where a number of my "Bauer (Bower) relations came from. In search, search, search again I related how I tied them up to my Pfisterers.

Looks like Rothermelbird, you and I and some of the others should meet up there!!!!

Strange, at the weekend, after hitting a brick wall in Yorkshire, I started looking up the Walls, thinking maybe if you search "forwards" you might find something.

This I found today though:

http://genforum.genealogy.com/wall/messages/3508.html

It says "Wall" (and there are thousands of them that married around London). However, if you put in Joseph Fackler Jun 1901, you'll see he married a Wilhelmina "Wahl".



Hey SwissGill,
Histress has just reminded me of your thread and after some research, Wihelmina is the younger sister of my wifes Great Grandfather, Christian Frederick Wall. I have posted a reply to the lady that placed the message
Thanks for posting

Johnbhoy
Scotland (Helensburgh, Glasgow, Banff, Campbelltown); MacKenzie, McKenzie, Donnachie, Donachie, McClafferty, Fee, Scullion, Cairns, McDonagh, McFinney,Chalmers,Stewart, McAllister

Ireland (Donegal-Rosses, Mullaghduff, Boyle Co Roscommon & other counties); Donachie, Finnigan, McGinley, Brennan, Sharkey, Boyle, Sweenie, Kearns, Balmartin, Martin, McDonald, Irvine

England (Carlisle); Ashbridge,Armstrong, Cavers, Wall, Dixon
England (Blackpool) Hall, Barker
Germany (Hohebach,Württemberg) Wahl

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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #174 on: Friday 03 September 10 07:36 BST (UK) »
Hohebach is near to Dörzbach from where a number of my "Bauer (Bower) relations came from. In search, search, search again I related how I tied them up to my Pfisterers.
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Hello SwissGill,

At the moment I am about to list all the pork butchers and ladies that emigrated from Kocherstetten to the UK. There existed a close-woven netwerk between most of them. Can you please pm me, how the Bowers of Dörzbach (I suppose it is the family in Queen Street, Horbury) are tied to the Pfisterers?
If you wished, I could send you my "Kocherstetten list", but it's written in German. Can you read German or is there someone in your family who could translate it for you?

Hello Histres,

Many thanks for your offer! I have no trouble reading German and would be very interested indeed in your "Kocherstetten list"

I will PM you with my findings on the Bauer-Pfisterer connections.
Whitlow: Witton-cum-Twambrooks/Northwich
Bowers: Marthall, Siddington, Cheshire
Owen: Cheshire
Pfisterer (Fisher): West Riding Yks 1850-1875
Fisher (Pfisterer): Des Moines, Iowa 1886-
Wallis: West Riding Yks/Des Moines, Iowa, 1892-
Heinzmann: Hull/Northwich
Pfisterer, Heinzmann, Künzelsau, Baden-Württemberg
Brueck: Kocherstetten B-W
Volpp: Morsbach B-W
Schluchterer: Künzelsau, B-W


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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #175 on: Friday 03 September 10 08:57 BST (UK) »

Hey SwissGill,
Histress has just reminded me of your thread and after some research, Wihelmina is the younger sister of my wifes Great Grandfather, Christian Frederick Wall. I have posted a reply to the lady that placed the message
Thanks for posting

Johnbhoy

That's some more good news Johnboy!

Gill
Whitlow: Witton-cum-Twambrooks/Northwich
Bowers: Marthall, Siddington, Cheshire
Owen: Cheshire
Pfisterer (Fisher): West Riding Yks 1850-1875
Fisher (Pfisterer): Des Moines, Iowa 1886-
Wallis: West Riding Yks/Des Moines, Iowa, 1892-
Heinzmann: Hull/Northwich
Pfisterer, Heinzmann, Künzelsau, Baden-Württemberg
Brueck: Kocherstetten B-W
Volpp: Morsbach B-W
Schluchterer: Künzelsau, B-W

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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #176 on: Friday 03 September 10 23:50 BST (UK) »
Good morning SwissGill,

I received your collection of material referring to the Pfisterer - Brück connection. Today I got some additional data on the Pfisterer family from Künzelsau's archivist.
Am I right in having read in one of your posts that John Heinzmann's father was married to a sister of Hermann Pfisterer and Louisa Pfisterer?
As soon as I have got your answer, I will complete my "Kocherstetten-List with the newly found coherences.

Best wishes
Histres
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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #177 on: Saturday 04 September 10 00:05 BST (UK) »
Hello Histres,

No, John Heinzmann was married to Fredericka (Friederike) Pfisterer, born 1858, the sister of Louis Pfisterer who was married to Christina Bower and who died in Künzelsau 9.10.1936.

Whitlow: Witton-cum-Twambrooks/Northwich
Bowers: Marthall, Siddington, Cheshire
Owen: Cheshire
Pfisterer (Fisher): West Riding Yks 1850-1875
Fisher (Pfisterer): Des Moines, Iowa 1886-
Wallis: West Riding Yks/Des Moines, Iowa, 1892-
Heinzmann: Hull/Northwich
Pfisterer, Heinzmann, Künzelsau, Baden-Württemberg
Brueck: Kocherstetten B-W
Volpp: Morsbach B-W
Schluchterer: Künzelsau, B-W

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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #178 on: Saturday 04 September 10 00:09 BST (UK) »
Hello SwissGill,

I am talking of John Heinzmann's father. Was he married to a Pfisterer family member of the generation before? Or do you know anything at all of his father?

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Re: German Pork Butchers in Britain
« Reply #179 on: Saturday 04 September 10 12:23 BST (UK) »
Hello Histres

On John Heinzmann's marriage certificate his father is noted as "George Heinzmann, Farmer" but I have not found any conclusive information as to his identity.

Most of my searches seem to end in GB. The fact that most of them were christened Friedrich, Georg, Johann, Louisa, etc. doesn't help!
Whitlow: Witton-cum-Twambrooks/Northwich
Bowers: Marthall, Siddington, Cheshire
Owen: Cheshire
Pfisterer (Fisher): West Riding Yks 1850-1875
Fisher (Pfisterer): Des Moines, Iowa 1886-
Wallis: West Riding Yks/Des Moines, Iowa, 1892-
Heinzmann: Hull/Northwich
Pfisterer, Heinzmann, Künzelsau, Baden-Württemberg
Brueck: Kocherstetten B-W
Volpp: Morsbach B-W
Schluchterer: Künzelsau, B-W