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Re: Belcher ancestry
« Reply #27 on: Friday 04 May 18 11:27 BST (UK) »
Hi again,

Glad to hear you're still on the Belcher trail.

I had  deduced that Walter F Belcher may have been the illeg. son of one of James & Caroline's children but couldn't pin him down as to his mother. Do you have an exact bapt. and location for Walter F ?

I have him in the 1861 living with James & Caroline.

On the same census there is a Martha Belcher and I think she could be the d/o Elizabeth b.1836 Do you have anything firm to go on?.

Elizabeth I believe died aged 33 in 1870 W.Hanney and in 1861 she is living with Esther Dore (nee Belcher) Innkeeper the mother-in-law of Henry Belcher.

Alan
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Re: Belcher ancestry
« Reply #28 on: Friday 04 May 18 11:47 BST (UK) »
One of the other Walters was son of Charles and Ann. Charles b1816 East Hendred
Marriage Culham, Oxfordshire 27 Oct 1836 Charles Belcher and Ann East
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Re: Belcher ancestry
« Reply #29 on: Friday 04 May 18 12:06 BST (UK) »
Hi,

I see Charles who married Ann East in 1836 was the son of James Belcher - which James? - presumably James Belcher & his 1st wife Rachel but I don't have any details.

The Charles you listed earlier is recorded as the s/o William & Elizabeth in E.Hendred who may be the s/o James & Rachel b1786 Hanney.

Do you have a birth/bapt for Walter s/o Charles & Ann?

Intriguing is it notr.

Alan
Browse, Peggs, Revans/Revance/Ribbans, Spall,   in Suffolk/Norfolk
Belcher, Elderfield, Froude, Saunders,  Stimson, Tame,   in Berks
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« Reply #30 on: Friday 04 May 18 12:12 BST (UK) »
Now as you say Elizabeth was niece of Esther DORE  who was the widow of George DORE their daughter Katherine married Henry Belcher the Uncle Walter was with in 1871.
But Esther Dore was nee Belcher born 1804  West Hanney do you have a baptism for her?
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Re: Belcher ancestry
« Reply #31 on: Friday 04 May 18 12:36 BST (UK) »

No I'm sorry to say. I have taken her birth year from the 1851 census in West Ilsley which indicates born 1804 in Hanney.
I have the "fiche" records for Hanney but the bapisms  only go up to 1812 and having extracted all the "Belchers" nothing for Esther. So either she doesn't know her age or was born elsewhere.
Interestingly, in the 1851 she & George Dore, a farmer employing 20 labourers, had no children listed only 2 servants. So where does Catherine Dore  (b.1845) d/o George & Esther come from. I can't see her birth in either East or West Ilsley's records.   In both the 1851 & 61 censuses Catherine  is away from home as a scholar in Gloucestershire.

I also have a feeling that George, being 8 years older than Esther, may have been married previously.
George & Esther married 1843 where??

Alan
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« Reply #32 on: Sunday 06 May 18 11:36 BST (UK) »
OK lets have another session
George Dore and Esther 's marriage we have only got from Free BMD in Wantage DIstrict
Katherine Dore's GRO entry gives her mother as maiden name BELCHER so unless we can find another
Dore/Belcher couple it points at George and Esther I'll look fir a previous marriage for George but Katherine was born well after the marriage so she must be from the George and Esther marriage...unless we do find a second Dore/Belcher couple.
The daughters of  James Belcher and Caroline Froud who could be  mother of Martha are; Esther, Elizabeth and Mary. Esther had already registered Walter as FROUD and if Martha was her child would most likely register her as Froud too but Martha is registered as Belcher in 1856 so I think we can discount Esther
Martha was born in 1856 when Elizabeth was 20 and Mary 17
Elizabeth  as you know is working with her Aunt Esther Dore in 1861 she died in 1870
Mary married in 1867 but where  was she in 1861?  she could also be Martha's mum
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Re: Belcher ancestry
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 06 May 18 13:37 BST (UK) »
George Dore died later than we thought
George Dore 63 abode West Ilsley Buried 27 Jul 1860 St Andrew Boxford
I wondered why Boxford and found a marriage in Boxford for a George Dore and Mary Hughes in 1814 and a death for Mary Dore in Boxford in 1826 for a Mary dore age 36 which could well be a first marriage. I wonder if there was a marriage between Mary and Esther and when did he move to West Isley?
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Re: Belcher ancestry
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 06 May 18 13:55 BST (UK) »
Hi Trees,

Yes - Mary Dore buried 30-7-1826 (aged 36) Boxford.

I see there are one or two other "Dore's" buried Boxford which could be why he is there.

Alan
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Re: Belcher ancestry
« Reply #35 on: Monday 07 May 18 11:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Trees,
Mary married in 1867 but where  was she in 1861?  she could also be Martha's mum
I feel the Mary Belcher born about 1839 W.Hanney (no firm dates) could be the one in 1851 census for Wantage as a visitor with Francis Aldridge, 69, Blacksmith, d/o Harriet, 41 (HO.107 1689)
Still can't find her in 1861

Alan
Browse, Peggs, Revans/Revance/Ribbans, Spall,   in Suffolk/Norfolk
Belcher, Elderfield, Froude, Saunders,  Stimson, Tame,   in Berks
Artis, Gray in Norfolk