Joseph Burnside, Cockerton

[Preshous]

Hi Dan

Thanks for the info. Unfortunately the Burnsides on the gravestone are not mine (yet). My Joseph died in 1872.
As previously mentioned he married twice, first wife was  Jane Wedgewood with whom he had at least 5 children. Jane died in 1861. His second wife  was Elizabeth Richardson with whom had at least 4 children. Elizabeth went onto remarry in 1874. I have trawled the BTs for some time now hoping to get any info however the records I seek do not appear to be available. With any luck Colin will find something out from the parish records for cockerton.

Regards

Gary

[Colin Cruddace]

Hi Gary,

I thought I'd better let you know that I might not get to the library this week as I've just come down with a cold and I don't want to spread it.

If you or Dan ever decide to research the Burnside families I would suggest having a padded wall nearby. They are a nightmare because they all tended to use the same names at the same time.

As an example, Dan mentions Lavinia born 1785 at Cockerton. I have Lavinia born 1786 at Blackwell, both in the Parish of St Cuthbert's. Which one married George Cowley at Houghton le Skerne, which was also in the Parish of St Cuthbert's?
Or could it be yet another Lavinia as both would have been in their 30's by 1818? Early marriage records did not show father's name which makes for a lot of guesswork.

Colin

[Preshous]

Hi Colin

Thanks for letting me know. I hope your cold is not to bad. I am in no rush for info on my Joseph. I know what you mean about the names and dates. I still think the lack of a fathers name on the marriage certificates could prove to the biggest clue. Again thank you for your interest. Get well soon.


Gary

[Colin Cruddace]

Hi Gary,

It was a disappointing search. No Joseph Burnside baptised at St Cuthbert's from Jan 1820 to Feb 1831. I re-checked for any Joseph baptised in 1825 or 1826 but there was nothing likely. I wondered if I had the year wrong so checked the census which confirmed it. His uncle (?) Robert was born Brafferton so I wondered if Joseph might have been baptised at Aycliffe. Unfortunately the library is having a recurrent problem with a leaking roof and the microfilm storage is cordoned off so I couldn't check.

I don't like being beaten so I checked the BTs for Aycliffe and still found nothing for Joseph, but there was an interesting burial on 15 Feb 1824 for Elizabeth Burnside age 82 of Bottom House, Parish of Darlington. This is the neighbouring farm to Holly House where Joseph and Robert were from 1851.

It seems to me that Robert could be the son of Elizabeth, and as he was born Brafferton, she would have moved to Cockerton after c1778, presumably with her husband. It might be worth trawling the BTs for St Cuthbert's to build up a possible mother or father for Joseph.
If I can help further, then let me know.

Colin

[Preshous]

Hi Colin

Many thanks for taking the time to look for my Joseph. It looks like he will remain a brick wall for a good while longer. The Elizabeth death seems promising if she proves to be the mother of Robert then that would/should mean she was at least the grandmother of my Joseph, and possibly his great grandmother.
Once again thank you for your efforts.

Gary

[Preshous]

To Colin & Dan

I have spent quite a bit of time over the weekend trying to unravel this mystery & I came to the following conclusion.( I managed to build a rather large,and still growing excel document)
There is only one Robert Burnside/s born in Brafferton c 1779 with the father Joseph. I have trawled the BT's for all possible siblings and can only find the ones listed in the IGI. At some stage after the birth of Robert c1779 Joseph & his wife ( I suspect she was called Elizabeth)  moved to Cockerton. I noted the birth of Lavina c 1785 with a father as Joseph ( who I believe was also the father of the aforementioned  Robert). As you will probably be aware there is a distinct lack of births/marriages/deaths for a Joseph Burnside/s listed on the IGI. The NBI does throw a few clues however, in particular the death of Joseph in 1818 at Darlington St Cuthbert aged 76 &, as Colin mentioned Elizabeth who was buried in Aycliffe in 1824 aged 82, were these the parents of the Aycliffe/ Cockerton Burnside/s, it seems a very good possibility. Colin you are quite right a padded room is an absolute must when researching the Burnside/s surname. Hopefully I can exhaust my search of the BT's in a couple of weeks( my lamp oil, pitmans speak for eyesight, permitting) and then move on to original PR's. Please feel free to offer any guidance.


Gary

[Colin Cruddace]

Hi Gary,

When I checked the Aycliffe BTs I think there were gaps and 1779 was missing. It might be worth checking the dates. I'm a bit busy for the next few days as we have a visitor from New Zealand. The IGI has extracted records for Aycliffe but I'm not sure if they are from the BTs or the actual registers.

I recall doing a quick check for any burnside/burnsides on the census, with a key word of cockerton, and found a farmer Robert age 60+ in 1841. This could be Joseph's uncle and not the one who is in the same household as Joseph at Mainsforth in 1841. I hope you can follow this.

Colin

[2zpool]

Looking at my HM Woods transcript of Aycliffe parish baptisms:

24 Oct 1779 Robert son of Joseph Burnsides, Brafferton, baptised.

Janis

[Preshous]

Hi Colin
You are right about the gap in the BT's for Aycliffe. I think you are right about the Robert in the 1841 census in Cockerton. The index shows him as alone however the image has an Isabella West at the same address. Robert had a sister named Isabel a quick check of the IGI brought up a marriage for Isabella Burnsides & Thos West in 1795 in Gainsborough, Lincoln, is this wishful thinking on my part.
Thank you Janis for confirming the IGI entry. Every little helps.

Gary

[verezzi]

And there's not much I can add that you don't already know I'm afraid. I have saved this line for a rainy day as it is not one where I had any relatives to talk to about it. I can give you the following snippits whether they are any help is another matter...

If there is one line and Lavinia is in it, then I'm pretty certain that Lovehannah is her, her grandson lives with them for both the 1861 and 1851 census (I don't know who the child belongs to), he called his daughter Lavinia, the Cowleys also use a corruption of the name with daughters called Vinia/Vianer and Vina. On the 1851 census Lavinia is down as Vinah and the troubled ancestry transcriber has mis-written this as Sarah.

I was simply going to do what you have done and trawl and list any Cowley/Burnside mention in Cockerton, Brafferton and Aycliffe. I was also going to trawl Haughton Le Skerne as being Lavinia's parish of marriage. Lavinia and George Cowley are on every census in Walworth which could be a possible avenue of research also if her family followed her. The Cowleys stick around the Walworth and Piercebridge area until they migrate to Billingham, it looks like the original George Cowley and Lavinia die in Walworth though and don't make the trip but i have no death dates for them as yet or evidence of them beyond 1861. The remaining Cowleys spend time in Carlbury, Coniscliffe/Piercebridge and then move mostly on mass by Nov 1862 to Billingham and stay there, have a thousand children and are probably now related to every one there judging by the number of marriage certificates I have.


I also think that the grave I mentioned could well be the Burnsides further down the line, I have been through every Billingham record and there is no Burnisde presence there except for these two burials, that plus the reoccurrence of the names Joseph and Robert is suggestive of maintained family links across the distance.

The only other relatively useless thing I have is two logged possiblities for Burnsides found on the census accidently when I was looking for something else, they were: Elizabeth Burnside on the 1841 census living at Bondgate in Darlington with Ambrose aged 18 an ag lab , and Matilda aged 16 a farm girl. The other was logged as Mary Burnside aged 51 in 1851 and was the toll bar keeper ay Gainford, she has a visitor from Piercebridge stauing weith her and a grandchild from Cockerton. In 1841 she is an ag lab living with daughter Jane in Denton.

This is all I have at present I'm afraid.

Dan