COMPLETED Claud Butler of Fulham - with Carmarthenshire COMPLETED

[lizzieliza]

Hi.
The couple of births you have found in LLandovery, does this district come under Carmarthenshire by any chance? and if so, could you post details please?
Thanks

[Valda]

Hi

From FreeBMD

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl

Births Mar 1869 MORGAN  John    Llandovery  11a 701   
Births Sep 1870  Morgan  John     Llandovery  11a 658

I wouldn't rule out adjacent registration districts

http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/cmn.htm

John Morgan is a common name so you can find on the censuses quite a few.


Regards

Valda

[osprey]

I mentioned the ones in Llandovery as that registration district covered Llanwrda at the time, but there are plenty more John Morgan(s) in Carmarthenshire...

[lizzieliza]

Thank you very much for taking the time to help me.

Sounds like I have a long haul in front of me 

Liz

[John Butler]

Hi there.
Many thanks to you all for your help, very much appreciated.
Liz

I am Claud Butler's son. John Morgan Butler was my grandfather therefore and I researched this information independently some years ago. My father's family was very poor. He built up his business from nothing. Claud's grandmother was Rachel Morgan of Llanwrda, she was illegitimate as she signed John Morgan's birth certificate with a cross. The father's name does not appear. I therefore believe it possible my grandfather, when he married, made up the name Martin Butler, a gentleman, or else he had been told this to cover up his illegitimacy. Rachel is unlikely to have brought him up and it is likely he had relatives across the valley who did this. He then moved to London as a draper,  like so many from west Wales at the time. I have a photo of him in London in the 1920s and plenty of family stories about him! My father never spoke of him, my mother though had some things to say about him. My sister, 10 years older than me, lives in the States and knew him as a child but knew nothing about his welsh origins. I wish I knew more about him. But I don't know who you are - do get in touch if you wish. I would love to hear from you.

[John Butler]

I could give you further details if you're still interested, as I am Claud's son. Best wishes, John Butler

[John Butler]

Hi there.
Many thanks to you all for your help, very much appreciated.
Liz

I am Claud Butler's son. John Morgan Butler was my grandfather therefore and I researched this information independently some years ago. My father's family was very poor. He built up his business from nothing. Claud's grandmother was Rachel Morgan of Llanwrda, she was illiterate as she signed John Morgan's birth certificate with a cross. The father's name does not appear. I therefore believe it possible my grandfather, when he married, made up the name Martin Butler, a gentleman, or else he had been told this to cover up his illegitimacy. Rachel is unlikely to have brought him up and it is likely he had relatives across the valley who did this. He then moved to London as a draper,  like so many from west Wales at the time. I have a photo of him in London in the 1920s and plenty of family stories about him. My father never spoke of him, my mother though had some things to say about him. My sister, 10 years older than me, lives in the States and knew him as a child but knew nothing about his welsh origins. I wish I knew more about him. But I don't know who you are - do get in touch if you wish. I would love to hear from you.