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Re: Sutherlands
« Reply #18 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 15:28 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica,

Have now found the correct documents and have uploaded them (James McGregor 1841)

Regards Jim
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Re: Sutherlands
« Reply #19 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 19:05 BST (UK) »
That's great Jim, you are making lots of headway in verying your G Aunt's notes  :)

How lucky you have been that Esther died in 1855, as you have seen, the information contained there is huge. Pity they cut back the entries the following year! I am also glad to see that John, Esther's husband, is down as farmer and tailor as this then confirms the census entries where he shows as tailor. If you check on FreeCen on the link I gave you earlier, you will find John and Esther and perhaps a grandson, Alexander aged 14 in the 1841 census. John also shows as tailor that year.

The only bit I am still having a problem with is the birth entry you have for Esther....I don't think it is hers! As you have seen, Esther's parents were William and Ann, not John and Janet (Cormack). There is another Esther showing in 1841 in the same age group as your Esther, this one married to a Neil Sutherland. I wonder if she is the one that is the daughter of John and Janet (Cormack)?

Records for Caithness, as I am sure you have found, start to get quite bare the further back you go. With Sutherlands marrying Sutherlands etc., it gets quite hard to unravel in this period.

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Re: Sutherlands
« Reply #20 on: Wednesday 14 October 09 19:22 BST (UK) »
Hi Monica,

Its all good lol.  You are right about Esther so I will do more research.  The problem I have is  reading what they have written.

But it is great that you think I am on the right line.  Just as a matter of interest I was trying to find information on the farm at Dunn, Watten, Caithness to show where James lived and worked (meat onto the bones)

I will go for now and keep looking  ;)

Regards Jim
McGregor, Sutherland

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Re: Sutherlands
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 16:54 BST (UK) »
Hi Jim

I'm also looking at the family of John and Esther. Esther's parents (William and Ann Sutherland) are potentially my great x5 grandparents. I've studied this area (Knockally/Dunbeath/Latheron) extensively, and it makes sense that Esther had a brother called Neil, who - without doubt - is my great x4 grandfather. However, there are at least three families descended from separate William and Ann Sutherlands in roughly the same area and this is why I'm not 100% certain Esther is one of mine.

I have nine children for John and Esther and estimated years of birth for them - some others I got their births from IGI.

Let me know if you would like further information.
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Scotland
Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)

England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon

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Re: Sutherlands
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 20:13 BST (UK) »
Hi,

That would be great.  I have not been able to work on it for the last week but any information you have I would love to look through.  You will have read that I am very new to this but fortunatly people have kept me on the right path lol.  I also have a page on the Ancestry website under the name of Matthews/Brown family tree where I have uploaded the 1855 cert forEsther.

Regards, Jim
McGregor, Sutherland

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Re: Sutherlands
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 22:07 BST (UK) »
I don't appear to have as much as I thought but I'm going to New Register House tomorrow so I'll see what I can find.

Esther Sutherland born c1783 to William and Ann Sutherland in Balnabruich, Dunbeath, died 2 Apr 1855 in Knockally, Dunbeath. Buried in Berriedale Burial Ground.

Her children:

William
William born c1807
Robert born c1809
Hugh born 1813 in Balachuistel, Dunbeath, baptised 5 May 1813 in Latheron
James born 1816 in Balnabruich, baptised 19 Sep 1816 in Latheron
Janet born 1817 in Knockally, baptised 24 Apr 1817 in Latheron
Anne born 1819 in Balnabruich, baptised 6 Oct 1819 in Latheron
George born 1821 in Knockally, baptised 26 Oct 1821 in Latheron
Alexander born c1823

Possible deaths for the children (going by this site: http://www.graven-images.org.uk/index.htm):

Erected in 1862.
Erected in memory of.
William Sutherland, farmer of Balnabruich, died 29th July 1861 aged 54.


The mill of God.
In memory of.
Isabella Sutherland died 21st March 1863 aged 42 Wife of James Sutherland Smerlie.


Erected by James Sutherland in memory of his wife.
Elizabeth Sutherland died 19th July 1845 aged 32.
Son Alexander died 1865 in infancy.
Also.
Husband James Sutherland, farmer of Knockinnon and elder of the Free Church Latheron, died at Latheronwheel March 1885 aged 73.
In business he was scrupulously upright and in his Christian profession consistent and zealous for the truth.
2nd wife Elizabeth McGregor died 3rd December 1900 aged 84

Jane Sutherland died 30th July 1902 aged 84.


In memory of.
Alexander Sutherland of Oamaru New Zealand died at Janetstown Latheronwheel 5th November 1894 aged 70.

I'll look into these deaths tomorrow and see what I dig up. Hmmm probably not the best choice of words there...
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Scotland
Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)

England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon

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Re: Sutherlands
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 22 October 09 07:22 BST (UK) »
This is brilliant.  I am off to work shortly but will have a look at what I have when I return this evening.  It looks like it will put a lot more meat onto the bones, perhaps not the best way to put it lol.

I also have another side of the family from Latheron and other small settlements in that area, who are the McGregor’s.  It would appear that they come from the Sutherland line. 

It would appear that they moved to the Perth area at some stage where I was eventually born.  I now live just outside of Elgin so a trip to Latheron in on the cards at some stage but I would prefer to do this when I have more information and know the places I want to visit. 

I still think I will have to put all this on a large sheet of paper it would be easier that jumping computer screens.

I really appreciate all the help I am getting from yourself and others as a fumbling novice lol. 
McGregor, Sutherland

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Re: Sutherlands
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 22 October 09 22:07 BST (UK) »
Hi Jim

I actually forgot to look at the deaths I listed above, but I did get a few generations further forward if you're interested. I'm not sure how much relevance it has for you.
All countries/counties
Kinnes, Ostler (and all variations!!)

Scotland
Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)

England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon

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Re: Sutherlands
« Reply #26 on: Thursday 22 October 09 22:07 BST (UK) »
Also I've been doing this for nearly four years and I'm still fumbling!
All countries/counties
Kinnes, Ostler (and all variations!!)

Scotland
Caithness: Sutherland and Gunn (Latheron), Mowat (Olrig, Canisbay)
Fife: Fleming, Harley, Small, Laing, Malcolm
Angus/Forfarshire: Small, Laing (Dundee)
Perthshire: Runciman, Whittet, Paul, Small
Midlothian: Dudgeon, Sanderson (Tranent)

England
Gloucestershire: Edkins, Trowton/Troughton
Warwickshire: Bromley, Vickers, Hydon