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Re: Shaw Cum Donnington
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 28 October 09 03:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Newbury Chap,
Thanks for this info, I've looked at Bacon Arms at the website, and it looks interesting.  We're not too fussed about gourmet food, so long as it is good food.   So long as we've got somewhere to park our hire car.   We're going to check out the Swan Inn at Newtown, this is where Walter New was licensee some years back. Believe they have a good Sunday roast lunch.  It's a shame the old Two Brewers and London Apprentice aren't still there !!!

Do you know much about Greater Faringdon, is there anything there much to look at, as this is where all of our New family originated.

Regards

Jan
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Shaw Cum Donnington
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 28 October 09 15:03 GMT (UK) »
JANJIM.......We have some common ground !.....my g/mother was a barmaid at the SWAN NEWTOWN, about 1902- 1904...her canadian father[mr. william jordan] a former farmer from Manitoba,was the landlord there..

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Re: Shaw Cum Donnington
« Reply #11 on: Thursday 29 October 09 00:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi Newbury Chap,
Thanks for this info, I've looked at Bacon Arms at the website, and it looks interesting.  We're not too fussed about gourmet food, so long as it is good food.   So long as we've got somewhere to park our hire car.   We're going to check out the Swan Inn at Newtown, this is where Walter New was licensee some years back. Believe they have a good Sunday roast lunch.  It's a shame the old Two Brewers and London Apprentice aren't still there !!!

Do you know much about Greater Faringdon, is there anything there much to look at, as this is where all of our New family originated.

Faringdon (or Great Faringdon as it used to be known) is a nice little town, well worth a visit.  Easy to do as a trip from Newbury.
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Re: Shaw Cum Donnington
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 29 October 09 01:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi Newbury Chap,
Just prompting my memory, did we talk previously about Walter New being the Licensee of the Swan Inn at Newtown, or are you only researching Newbury itself.

Jan
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Shaw Cum Donnington
« Reply #13 on: Thursday 29 October 09 03:17 GMT (UK) »
Byng,
Small world isn't it, I'm not absolutely sure what year Walter New was the Licensee, have to be early 1900's, maybe Newbury Chap may be able to confirm that.

janjim
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Shaw Cum Donnington
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 29 October 09 11:54 GMT (UK) »
I'm afraid I have tunnel vision when it comes to pubs - as the Swan is not in Newbury I have not collected any data unless the same newspaper item etc includes reference to a Newbury pub.  Its a policy that has made the workload a bit more manageable but I do wonder at times if I shouldn't have collected all licensing material for the area (in case I spread out to neigbouring parishes at some future date). The Swan is one of the pubs that are within a couple of hundred yards of Newbury's boundaries which would be the first to be added to my area of interest if I ever expand it.

The only data I have on a Walter New is from 1908 - 1910, when he was landlord of the William IV, a beerhouse  in Bartholomew St - which is still standing even though it was closed as a pub in 1910.

Let me know when you are coming to Newbury and perhaps we can meet up.

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Re: Shaw Cum Donnington
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 29 October 09 20:36 GMT (UK) »
I would say it is possible that we could have one and the same person with the Walter New as landlord of the William IV beerhouse. 

Yes will certainly let you know when we're coming over to Newbury, looking at May at this stage, no firm bookings yet, it would be great to catch up.

New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Shaw Cum Donnington
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 27 February 10 21:34 GMT (UK) »
Hi Newbury Chap,
Just following up on our previous communication, yes we will be in Newbury around week commencing 17th May.     New family history, here we come !!

jan
New, Thorn, Bird, Ruffey, Bosley, Belcher- Newbury Berkshire
Haynes/Haines - Much Birch Herefordshire, Monmouth Wales
Kearn/Watkins- Llanllwchaiarn/Newtown, Wales, Tyberton, Herefordshire
Gwilliam - Monmouth Wales, Herefordshire
Collier, Jackson - Salford, Manchester Lancashire
Saunders - Middlesex, Devon
Benson - Edinburgh, Scotland
Callander - Falkirk, Scotland
Ambrose - Liverpool, Manchester Lancashire, Canada
Timms, Elliman - Oxfordshire, Warwickshire
Ellison - Manchester/Portsmouth Hampshir

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Re: Shaw Cum Donnington
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 03 April 10 20:01 BST (UK) »
For janjim (PM me if you want to meet up in May) - two views of an incident in an ancestor's life.  Quite amazing that two diarists' accounts of a very minor event in 1801 have survived.

From the diary of Samuel Purdue, parish clerk of Newbury.
1801 Sept 28. Mr Toomer junr, Mayor; Mr Toomer senr, Justice. The preliminaries of peace signed by Lord Hawsbury and Mr Otto, the French Commissioner. Mr Haskins, Mr Harris and Jas Purdue fined 5s each for drawing beer on the Sunday; refused paying the fine, Mr Lodge, the constable, seized on them; from Mr Haskins 2 bottle of wine, Mr Harris ditto, Jas Purdue a saw; sold in the Market-place by auction on the 20 Nov 1801, by Lodge, the constable, and Stillman; Mr Townsend paid the fine soon as bought, drank the wine in the Shambles, and sung ‘God save the King’, and drank several toasts; barrel of beer gave at night to ye people assembled, and a bonfire on the occasion; the Mayor lose at the time, some of his grindstones broke or carried away.

From the diary of Joseph Toomer, mayor of Newbury
1801 November 10th
Complaints having been made by the Constables that the Publicans in general persisted in serving on the Lord’s Day & that many of the Inhabitants of the Town made a constant practice of assembling at several of the Public Houses on the Lords Day Evening for purchasing of Liquor – and other purposes, notwithstanding the Notices given to the Inhabitants to refrain from exercising their Worldly Business on the Lords Day.
Mr John Haskins of the Kings Arms
Mr John Townsend of the Town Arms
Mr James Purdue of the 2 Brewers
& Mr Wm Harris of the White Hart
were sent for & on being questioned did each of them confess that on Sunday the first day of November Inst they did severally sell Liquor in their respective Houses to persons who could have procured Liquor elsewhere or have been otherwise provided – they were accordingly convicted by their own confession in the penalty of 5/- each.
November 13th
Issued a Warrant of Distress against the publicans convicted on the 1oth & sent a summons to J King for pay the fine for travelling in his Waggon on the Sth.
November 14th
John King paid the Fine of 20/-
J Townsend paid the Fine of 5/-
Constables served the Warrant of Distress on John Haskins, James Purdue & William Harris.

(in January 1802 Robert Purdue of the Rose & Crown was among five landlords fined 5/- for the same offence).
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