Hardy Alfred, 1858, Nottingham

[Chris in 1066Land]

Hi Hardysearch

My Maternal Grandparents are Hardy's from Sutton Bonington in Nottinghamshire - Frame Work Knitters from Hardy's Yard in Sutton Bonington.
Has your research taken you to that part of the county

Chris in 1066Land

[hardysearch]

Thanks for the reply

No - no connection to Nottingham yet proven ( much to my husbands disappointment - I understand there is a Hardy interest in a Nottingham real ale brewery). My research for the birth of my maternal grt grandfather was clutching at straws - my mother having a vague idea that her grandfather may have come from Nottingham - based on some information that a grt uncle was the chief engineer at the water works there.

Can't find said grt grandfather (Alfred Ernest) in 1881 census or even in 1891 when he had a family. On 1901 his birth place was given as London - but as yet no joy. He was probably born  between 1859 and 1861.

[Chris in 1066Land]

Hi again

I have just had a good look on the 1891 Census to try and locate your Alfred Ernest etc  - but without any luck I am afraid.

Is there any other info you could supply on the Hardys to try and locate them

Chris in 1066Land

I was born and bred in Nottinghamshire - next village to Sutton Bonington.
 

[hardysearch]

Thank you for looking. Someone else has also looked in the census for West Ham and Limehouse with no luck.

The only info I have on Alfred Ernest is what he supplied on his marriage certificate and that given on his death certificate and the 1901 census.

Marriage - 19th Oct 1884 Trinity Church Parish of St Mary Newington Surrey.
Alfred Ernest Hardy  aged 25 a millwright batchelor father William Hardy Deceased.
Address Bath Terrace

Emma Jane Mundy aged 24 spinster
father Wlliam Mundy Gardener
same address

I know that she was born in Ramsgate Kent in 1856 and have found most of her family in various census.

Alfred died in 1938 in East Ham and his age on the death certificate was given as 81

On the 1901 census his birth place was given as London and his age as 40.

All other info is based upon family stories but no firm detail - just faded memories but anyone who knew him is well in their 80's - so shouldn't expect too much. After all I never asked my grandfather where he was born!

Being in the next village must help in your research.

[Rose Lea]

Hi,

Just read about your Alfred Hardy,  I haven't got any information to help you, but my father's line is Hardy and he was born in Nottingham, Arnold, and thought his Hardy family were born there too, but just by chance I found out that they were from Shipley, in Derbyshire.  Alfred could have been born in London because his mother came from there - in those days they often went back home to have their first child, or more, depending on the circumstances.
I have also found that often the place on some of the censuses is wrong, I have someone in my line who is written as being born in a completely different place than the previous census.  Also when the people have transcribed it they have often made mistakes so it is better to look at the original census paper.  In one census the place name had been mistakenly written for the previous person.  In another census for example my gr.gr.gr grandfather wasn't there, but I found him on the original paper by chance looking for one of his children who was living on the same road.  He also could have been written down as Harding etc by mistake.  I spent ages searching for someone whose name had been mispelt and only found out when I mentioned it to someone on that particular line and they said it was a mistake and gave the right name.  Trying looking for him with a star with only three letters or with the London or in Derbyshire just in case.  Good luck
Jane

[Sampson-Timothy]

My ancestor, Sampson HARDY, was born in Sutton Bonington.  I found his widow, working as housekeeper for Munday / Mundy family, in Liverpool, I think.  Do not have all details with me here at library.  Would like to compare notes.  Will have time to read more of your postings next time I am here to use computer.  This is my first time using RootsChat. 

[SuzieH]

Alfred Hardy -1881 census age 38 Coal Miner born in Heanor
wife Mary (Martin) married Nov 11th 1861 at Cotmanhay Christchurch. Wedding cert shows Alfred 18 in 1861 Collier living in Marlpool, Mary 17 Spinster of Shipley.
Geographically - Eastwood to Langley Mill to Heanor, small run Marpool, Shipley, Cotmanhay, Ilkeston.
Shipley had the Munday family who owned the Shipley Colliery. ( Theme park American Adventure was at the side of this for a few years)
Father of Alfred was George.
Son John 1901 was married to Esther Stirland/ Stirling/ Starling living on Mundays Row.died 14th Jan 1956 age 84 John.
Numerous Children born in Marlpool/Heanor, moved to Kirkby in Ashfield Notts for new pit Summitt, Kirkby, lived on Alexandra Street John and Esther died 1956 both in their 80's. Older children poss stayed in Heanor.
Son Eric born 1/4/1916 was grandfather. Lots of Hardys in Kirkby but difficult to follow as other miners came from around the country. Would like to discuss Rose Lee connection as we could be related.
Brewery was Hardy Hansons, no connection known as yet
. Registration district Basford parish of Heanor County of derby 4th June 1872 Johns Birth. Basford is Nottingham but the Parish areas have been mistaken at times.

[Sampson-Timothy]

There must be some connection.
My ancestor Sampson HARDY was christened 26 Feb 1810 St Michael,  Sutton Bonington, Nottinghamshire.   Son of Joseph HARDY & Ann UNKNOWN.

Have no marriage record but must have married my Lavinia Amelia Sykes BIRD about 1839 ?  Unable to find them in 1841 census.

1851 census:  Islington, Islington East, St Paul's, 10 James Street ?  page 15
Sampson HARDY  41 head married plumber  born Nottinghamshire, Sutton Bonington
Lavinia      "          36 wife  born Lancashire, Liverpool
Henry A     "          11? son  born Middlesex, St Luke
                   page 16
Amelia    HARDY   (6 or 4 ?) dau  born Middlesex, St Luke
Lavinia      "           1  dau  born Middlesex, Islington
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Sampson's death is registered:
Oct-Nov-Dec 1860 Hampshire, Portsea Island  volume 2b  page 238
Cannot afford cost of certificate
His burial date was listed online somewhere  26 Oct 1860  Portsea, Hampshire 
cemetery not identified
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1861 census Middlesex, St Olave Silver Street ?, Cripplegate & Farrington ?, City of London Northwest
page 30:
Lavina S HARDY  48 head widow Sempstress  born Liverpool
Edwd J   "           9 son born London, Middlesex, England
George  "            6  son born Landport? St, Hampshire

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1871 census Portsea, Portsmouth, St John (Municipal Ward), Trinity (Ecclesiastical Parish),
address  68 ________ (possibly Cumberland Street ?)
page 104 / 51: 
Lavinia HARDY  57 head widow  Mantle Maker  born Liverpool
Edward   "        19 son                Plumber  born Middlesex, London
George   "         16  son               Plumber  born HantsLandport?
Lavinia   "          21 dau               Machinist  born Middlesex, London
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1881 census Portsea, Portsea Island, Hampshire,  22 Prince George Street , page 23
James MUNDAY  52
Walter J   "         15
Edgar H    "         12
Lavinia HARDY    60 Boarder  widow  born Portsea, Hampshire   housekeeper - domestic
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1891 census  Porsea, Hampshire, Portsea island, 8 Oxford Road, page 33
James MUNDAY  63 head widower retired Shipwright born Gosport, Hampshire
Lavinia HARDY  77 Housekeeper  domestic  born Liverpool, Lancashire 
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pretty sure this is her :

Death registration:
Lavinia Sykes HARDY
Jul-Aug-Sep 1899  Portsea Island, Hampshire
age 85
volume 2b page 367

 

[suzard]

Thank you for looking. Someone else has also looked in the census for West Ham and Limehouse with no luck.

The only info I have on Alfred Ernest is what he supplied on his marriage certificate and that given on his death certificate and the 1901 census.

Marriage - 19th Oct 1884 Trinity Church Parish of St Mary Newington Surrey.
Alfred Ernest Hardy  aged 25 a millwright batchelor father William Hardy Deceased.
Address Bath Terrace

on parish records marriage -Alfred has no middle name
He has no middle initial on 1901 census
no middle name on death reg???
He did have a son Alfred ernest hardy age 13 in 1901???

1901 son Horace was a patient in hospital?

Suz